Trump 2024 — The second term

[Magyars]

 

[DadSmith]

A threat to the republic - Washington Examiner

Former President Donald Trump, we are repeatedly told by President Joe Biden and his campaign surrogates, is a threat to democracy.

washingtonexaminer.com

A decent read.
Those who call us a Democracy may not enjoy it. As it calls the USA a Republic just like I was taught in high school, and college many years ago.

 

[BugI02]

Well, since the Libertarian candidate **** his rainbow diaper, the sham trial shifted me from solidly "none of the above" to, as the meme said, "TRUMP! Because, **** you"

Welcome to Team America First. Buy (more) guns and ammo

Joe Biden Reminds Us to Buy Guns and Ammunition

townhall.com

 

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[loudgroove]

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lol, I've seen this posted a few times and just noticed 11th "Woman" of the 12. LMAO.

 

[DadSmith]

 

[rbhargan]

The biggest Biden advantage is that the moderators are hard Left political operators who will be framing the questions and advocating for Biden when he is incapable of articulating a response. It is utterly lopsided in favor of Biden.

 

[DadSmith]

Majority of Hispanics now favor mass deportation

A new poll has found that mass deportation is popular with Hispanics, with 53 percent saying they would support such a program.

www.newsweek.com

Trump is onto something?

 

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[jamil]

A threat to the republic - Washington Examiner

Former President Donald Trump, we are repeatedly told by President Joe Biden and his campaign surrogates, is a threat to democracy.

washingtonexaminer.com

A decent read.
Those who call us a Democracy may not enjoy it. As it calls the USA a Republic just like I was taught in high school, and college many years ago.

I call the U.S a democracy AND I call it a republic. The two are not mutually exclusive. The article calls the US a democracy and a republic.

This statement:

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But to the extent that democracies and republics are different, and they are, the authors of our Constitution most assuredly wanted to ensure that the country they were creating was a republic and not merely a democracy.

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Democracies and republics are different in that a democracy does not have to be a republic. A republic does not have to be a democracy. But they can be. Democracies and republics are not mutually exclusive. A couple of examples.

The UK is a parliamentary democracy but it's sovereign is the monarchy. So the UK is not a Republic. The US is a representative democracy and it's sovereign are the various states, and the people. That makes it a republic, because it's sovereign power is not a person or family or royalty.

Again, the issue is that the Left and Right think of democracies differently from the way that we're democratic. The right gets puffy when someone says we're a democracy. But they're inferring from the word "democracy" that direct democracy is intended.

The left gets all orgasmic when they say democracy, because they like mob rule of direct democracy, because they control the mob. But, the way in which we are a democracy is in that we have an elected representative government.

No more. No less. A democracy. And a republic. No kings. No dicktaters. Limited government. At least that was the intent. We function as an oligarchy.

 

[jamil]

All within the margin of error. The fight will be for the fickle few who astonishingly flip from whim to whim.

 

[DadSmith]

I call the U.S a democracy AND I call it a republic. The two are not mutually exclusive. The article calls the US a democracy and a republic.

This statement:

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But to the extent that democracies and republics are different, and they are, the authors of our Constitution most assuredly wanted to ensure that the country they were creating was a republic and not merely a democracy.

---

Democracies and republics are different in that a democracy does not have to be a republic. A republic does not have to be a democracy. But they can be. Democracies and republics are not mutually exclusive. A couple of examples.

The UK is a parliamentary democracy but it's sovereign is the monarchy. So the UK is not a Republic. The US is a representative democracy and it's sovereign are the various states, and the people. That makes it a republic, because it's sovereign power is not a person or family or royalty.

Again, the issue is that the Left and Right think of democracies differently from the way that we're democratic. The right gets puffy when someone says we're a democracy. But they're inferring from the word "democracy" that direct democracy is intended.

The left gets all orgasmic when they say democracy, because they like mob rule of direct democracy, because they control the mob. But, the way in which we are a democracy is in that we have an elected representative government.

No more. No less. A democracy. And a republic. No kings. No dicktaters. Limited government. At least that was the intent. We function as an oligarchy.

Benjamin Franklin said it was a Republic.
“A Republic, If You Can Keep It”

No democracy at all. We are not even close to a democracy.
We vote in representatives, and those representatives make the law.
We the people at state level could be a democracy if the system of government for said state was. I don't know of any state in the union that is a democracy.

 

[Ingomike]

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Before Transferring to DA Bragg’s Office, Biden DOJ Bad Actor Matthew Colangelo Shut Down All 2020 Election Investigations | Joe Hoft

Before Transferring to DA Bragg's Office to Take Down President Trump, Corrupt DOJ Bad Actor Matthew Colangelo Shut Down All Investigations into the 2020 Election Steal. Corrupt Matthew Colangelo recently made a name for himself after he transferred from a top job at Biden's DOJ to a low level...

joehoft.com

 

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[jamil]

Benjamin Franklin said it was a Republic.
“A Republic, If You Can Keep It”

No democracy at all. We are not even close to a democracy.
We vote in representatives, and those representatives make the law.

LOL. If you vote in representatives, THAT'S democracy.



You're imposing a definition of pure or direct democracy to assert we're no democracy at all. In a direct democracy the electorate decides policy, without having representatives. We're definitely not that, although some state and local governments have a system for referendums on ballots, which is direct democracy.

The closest state to a direct democracy is Switzerland. Almost all democracies on earth are representative. Oh. And most of those are republics. Switzerland, being so close to a pure/direct democracy, is also a republic!

Even the article you posted agrees that republics like ours, and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Representative republics like ours are democracies, just not direct democracies.

We the people at state level could be a democracy if the system of government for said state was. I don't know of any state in the union that is a democracy.

Every state in the union is a democracy. There are no dicktaters/kings with sole state sovereignty among the states. None of them are direct democracies, though Kalifornia is close. Like I said, referendums is an implementation of direct democracy. But, the US constitution requires that every state has a republican form of government, which is meant to call out representative government elected by the people. So republican, and democratic.

"Democracy" is not a bad word unless you mean it the way progressives mean it. Take back the word and be proud of a system that allows you to have some say in the way we're governed, with no king to overrule the rule of law, and yet not have mob rule like a direct democracy.

 

[jamil]

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Except when it comes to his....hand size.

Trump shockingly, refreshingly, told the truth (mostly) about his policies and purpose. Exceptions are things like making Mexico pay for the wall. He recently admitted it was just a campaign promise and that he had no intention of trying to make Mexico pay for the wall.

He lied incessantly about stupid ego ****. Which, I'd rather that. If my elected leader is going to have a problem with the truth, I'd rather it just be about stupid ego **** than policy. Biden lies incessantly about policy and purpose. Trump is probably the most transparent president we've had among recent presidents, if we're being honest.

 

[Ziggidy]

Wish I could share this all over......

 

[DadSmith]

LOL. If you vote in representatives, THAT'S democracy.

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You're imposing a definition of pure or direct democracy to assert we're no democracy at all. In a direct democracy the electorate decides policy, without having representatives. We're definitely not that, although some state and local governments have a system for referendums on ballots, which is direct democracy.

The closest state to a direct democracy is Switzerland. Almost all democracies on earth are representative. Oh. And most of those are republics. Switzerland, being so close to a pure/direct democracy, is also a republic!

Even the article you posted agrees that republics like ours, and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Representative republics like ours are democracies, just not direct democracies.



Every state in the union is a democracy. There are no dicktaters/kings with sole state sovereignty among the states. None of them are direct democracies, though Kalifornia is close. Like I said, referendums is an implementation of direct democracy. But, the US constitution requires that every state has a republican form of government, which is meant to call out representative government elected by the people. So republican, and democratic.

"Democracy" is not a bad word unless you mean it the way progressives mean it. Take back the word and be proud of a system that allows you to have some say in the way we're governed, with no king to overrule the rule of law, and yet not have mob rule like a direct democracy.

Wrong and by who's definition are you going by?

Democracy is rule of the majority. What the majority want they get no representation it just becomes law.
We do not have a Democracy.
For instance a Democracy will not protect others rights. It will take them away if that is what the majority wants. Nothing to stop it except convincing the majority.

This is what we have.
republic
noun
re·pub·lic ri-ˈpə-blik
Synonyms of republic
1
a
(1)
: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
(2)
: a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b
(1)
: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law


Democracy is pure majority rule. Anything else isn't a democracy.

So you just admitted there are no true democracies in the entire world.

 

[jamil]

Wish I could share this all over......

It's important to stress the superiority of a system which appoints democratically elected officials, but then limits their power through a constitution, to oppress people. The only people that flout a parliamentary system of democracy over a constitutional system of democracy are those who want to use mob rule to oppress people they disagree with.

But, that is neither here nor there, because our democratic representative constitutional republic, great is it has been, is incapable of preventing government from creating crony relationships with big business to oppress people in ways the government can't do itself. But in defense of the founders, there was no way to foresee this.

 

[jamil]

Wrong and by who's definition are you going by?

Oxford.

Democracy is rule of the majority. What the majority want they get no representation it just becomes law.

Wrong. Democracy can be that. It has different meanings. One of which is rule of the majority. Another is a system which elects representatives through a democratic process.

Our republic, as opposed to other representative democracies, is unique in that a constitution limits what democratically elected representatives can do. Unlimited democracy is mob rule. We don't have unlimited democracy. But it's still democracy.

We do not have a Democracy.

Yes we do. Our system is a form of democracy. It's not a pure democracy, thankfully. Our elected representatives don't have full power. They have limited power. That's not what makes us a republic though. Not having a king or dicktater makes us a republic.

For instance a Democracy will not protect others rights. It will take them away if that is what the majority wants. Nothing to stop it except convincing the majority.

A pure democracy is majority rule. But, the highlighted is evidence that we are a democracy at least a little, because in this election especially, we are relying on convincing a majority of people to vote for DJT. That's voting for an outcome to keep our constitutionally limited republic.

This is what we have.
republic
noun
re·pub·lic ri-ˈpə-blik
Synonyms of republic
1
a
(1)
: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
(2)
: a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b
(1)
: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law

Wow. Sounds like a democracy.

Democracy is pure majority rule. Anything else isn't a democracy.

Not true. As I said, words have different meanings. And, as I said, there are almost no pure democracies in the world.

So you just admitted there are no true democracies in the entire world.

Well, no, saying "true democracy", isn't really saying any more than progressives say when they say "democracy". Might as well say no true Scotsman. What they mean is the utopian "democracy" that will be ushered in once the evil capitalists no longer oppress people with their employment.

What I did say is that there are no pure democracies, except Switzerland is close to it. The good part about democracy is that it's not a dictatorship with absolute rule.

The problem with pure democracy is that it will eventually destroy itself, because people tend to behave badly in large groups. It must be limited to the point it doens't have the power to destroy itself. Representative democracies attempt to do that. It's not enough because those elected representatives are incentivized by groups and mobs.

A better limit on representative democracy on having a contract, a constitution of the people, which limits what government can do. That's what the US founders did. And it's kinda worked out, but not awesomely. We're about to lose it.

An even better limit, on democracy, would be a constitutionally required death penalty for elected officials that intentionally try to subvert the constitution. Public execution. After a fair trial of course.