Train derailment in Ohio and chemical release

[Magyars]

 

[Shadow01]

Of course, when everything goes right, you only have to sit and wait for a 3 mile long train to pass.

Guess we could impose fines starting at half the value of your business when failure to maintain causes an accident resulting in injury and start at 3/4 the value of your business when it results in contamination by hazardous chemicals. Then you can choose how you want to budget and schedule your maintenance.

 

[KittySlayer]

Beyond impractical. Fantasy land.

No need for elevations. We will (finally) have Jetsons flying cars by time all the engineering drawings are even completed.

 

[04FXSTS]

RR’s are another pendulum that has swung too far. Many years ago train crews were comprised of more people than was probably needed. Now at least in my opinion there are not enough crew to run safely. IIRC one duty of the caboose crew was to keep an eye out for problems. Hard to do when there is no caboose, or with the length of todays train. Jim.

 

[ditcherman]

No need for elevations. We will (finally) have Jetsons flying cars by time all the engineering drawings are even completed.

Yea I think the Jetsons flying cars are scheduled to be here by 2023 1/2, if not sooner.

 

[Mikey1911]

No need for elevations. We will (finally) have Jetsons flying cars by time all the engineering drawings are even completed.

George and Jane went shopping for a (flying) car . . . and ran into a bank robber by the name of "Knuckles Nuclear".

 

[Ingomike]

Yea I think the Jetsons flying cars are scheduled to be here by 2023 1/2, if not sooner.

Only slightly more of a pipe dream than the the EV utopia future they are promising…

 

[rhamersley]

Only slightly more of a pipe dream than the the EV utopia future they are promising…

True story...when I worked up at GM Powertrain in Castleton, Rick Wagonner and Mary Barra came to tour the labs and have a "town hall" meeting. Honest to goodness, one of the very young lady engineers asked them when the flying cars were set to be released. Took a LOT of self restraint from the rest of us not to comment...

 

[actaeon277]

For God's sake, people can't seem to handle 2 dimensions.

 

[Magyars]

 

[DadSmith]

Report: Norfolk Southern has greased politicians' hands to the tune of nearly $100 million since 1990

Norfolk Southern Railway, the company responsible for over half of the hazmat rail incidents in 2022 and the catastrophic Feb. 3 derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, has spent a great deal of money over the past 30 years to win favor amongst America's political elites. Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R)...

www.theblaze.com

 

[gassprint1]

Ohio governor says there is no federal law that the railroads have to notify the state there are hazardous materials on a train...
He's the damn governor, he could of had a law for his own state..the guy is republican and signs laws all the time. Seems it doesn't matter what political party you're from, they are all idiots!!

 

[KLB]

Ohio governor says there is no federal law that the railroads have to notify the state there are hazardous materials on a train...
He's the damn governor, he could of had a law for his own state..the guy is republican and signs laws all the time. Seems it doesn't matter what political party you're from, they are all idiots!!

What difference would a notification ahead of time have made?

 

[Cameramonkey]

What difference would a notification ahead of time have made?

Exactly. I want to know why they didnt catch that burning wheel bearing. There is a defect detector in the town. I wonder if it made it to the detector or if it derailed before?

EDIT: I found the defect detector is smack in the middle of town. The accident happened just east of town.
Anyone have a link to which direction it was traveling? So it either crashed right before or right after the defect detector.

Defect Detector Database

East Palestine, Ohio Train Derailment Emergency Response | US EPA

Draft page for East Palestine, Ohio train derailment.

www.epa.gov

 

[Cameramonkey]

Figured it out. It crashed shortly after the detector. the crash site is just under a mile past the detector. It was headed eastbound.

 

[BugI02]

Ohio governor says there is no federal law that the railroads have to notify the state there are hazardous materials on a train...
He's the damn governor, he could of had a law for his own state..the guy is republican and signs laws all the time. Seems it doesn't matter what political party you're from, they are all idiots!!

Interstate commerce clause federalizes that issue. Legislature could make the law, governor could sign it and it wouldn't last 3 months

You might be able to do it for hazmat that has a destination in your state but not those passing through

 

[BugI02]

EDIT: I found the defect detector is smack in the middle of town. The accident happened just east of town.
Anyone have a link to which direction it was traveling? So it either crashed right before or right after the defect detector.

Train was traveling west to east. More important than the defect detector - hot spot detector, actually - there is another unit twenty miles to the west that the train passed in the same area where the security camera footage showed red hot metal and sparks being thrown by one of the cars. The question is did they get a warning 20 miles before East Palestine and ignore it or miss it somehow or was that other detector inop

 

[Sigblitz]

If I recall upthread, they were alerted and did an emergency brake application.
The cab probably has a black box and camera. They can look at when it was alerted, when did it lose brake pressure, when were the brakes applied, was there drag, is the bearing bad, is the wheel flat spotted, was the hand brake released on that car.
There should be plenty there for the NTSB to look at for answers.

 

[kickbacked]

Ohio governor says there is no federal law that the railroads have to notify the state there are hazardous materials on a train...
He's the damn governor, he could have had a law for his own state..the guy is republican and signs laws all the time. Seems it doesn't matter what political party you're from, they are all idiots!!

Not sure how that would have helped. That law probably also would impact cost to consumers. Lithium batteries are considered hazardous. So now you have to notify states ahead of time that you got a load of electronics in a car and wait for them to give the go ahead.

 

[gassprint1]

Not sure how that would have helped. That law probably also would impact cost to consumers. Lithium batteries are considered hazardous. So now you have to notify states ahead of time that you got a load of electronics in a car and wait for them to give the go ahead.

There already are fees charged for transporting anything hazardous. Apparently none of those fees goto the states.