To Democrats on INGO

[LP1]

Pardon me for not perusing the 15 pages of quality content here, but here's my take after reading the initial post:

1. If you want an honest answer, don't ask aggresively.
2. There's a difference between typical "democrat voters", and those with larger agendas.

I believe the typical Democrat voter can answer your questions in a couple different ways. First, this President lied. About everything. Every. Single. Thing. All the stuff he campaigned on was a lie. But, people believed it, and that's why they voted for him. Maybe these are the people you want answers from?

Others would answer "yeah but bush...", and that's about as far as that conversation goes.

And others want this. Others are the "extreme" left, the marxists, the true socialists. The ones being taught this in school and believe it's the right thing. The ones that want strong separation and division among people. The ones that want Government over everything. They won't come out in friendly company and say it... but behind the anonymity of the internets they exist and I'm sure you've heard them loud and clear. They think this President isn't doing enough, and the opposition (us, gop, etc) should be eradicated.

So, them's your answers.

Those aren't answers, those are largely-incorrect stereotypes.

 

[zippy23]

feeling rather satisfied.

we are getting a push towards green energy and moving away from harmful, polluting fossil fuels. We killed Bin Laden, ended the war in Iraq and won the war on terror. The stock market has recovered and unemployment has markedly improved. There are some kinks to work out in the healthcare law, but overall it will improve services to those who need it most. asking the richest among us for just a bit more isn't too much to ask, right?

Yeah i'm not sure whether this is sarcasm or your honest thoughts! if its honest thoughts then that truly explains why you would vote democrat, if its sarcasm, then nice work. Stock market has recovered! oh my, that is hilarious.

 

[mrjarrell]

Yeah i'm not sure whether this is sarcasm or your honest thoughts! if its honest thoughts then that truly explains why you would vote democrat, if its sarcasm, then nice work. Stock market has recovered! oh my, that is hilarious.

Ummm...the stock market has recovered. It's at high levels right now. Are you reading old newspapers or something? As it is, the stock market is not a good indicator of the the economic recovery, which is recovering, albeit slowly. But the market has recovered.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Ummm...the stock market has recovered. It's at high levels right now. Are you reading old newspapers or something? As it is, the stock market is not a good indicator of the the economic recovery, which is recovering, albeit slowly. But the market has recovered.

Good points, particularly in that gambler confidence is not a good economic indicator, just how the bets are flowing at the moment.

 

[JTScribe]

Ummm...the stock market has recovered. It's at high levels right now. Are you reading old newspapers or something? As it is, the stock market is not a good indicator of the the economic recovery, which is recovering, albeit slowly. But the market has recovered.

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Spend some time, look at the charts, do some reading. We're boned.

 

[Hotdoger]

Ummm...the stock market has recovered. It's at high levels right now. Are you reading old newspapers or something? As it is, the stock market is not a good indicator of the the economic recovery, which is recovering, albeit slowly. But the market has recovered.

A fake recovery brought on by QE.

 

[zippy23]

Okay, here goes nothing.

I am a registered Democrat, and I'm not ashamed of it. However, I do not agree with a lot of what my party has to say. I have much less in common with the Republican party, gun rights being the only thing. I lean left socially and am a moderate with fiscal/monetary policy and foreign policy. I believe the government has no place to tell you who you can marry, IMHO 2 consenting adults who aren't related is all that matters. I am pro-choice, the government should not tell a woman what to do with her body. I am for equal pay between men and women, work is work and money is money. But when it comes to guns, ***damn it it's in our constitution in black and white. Now, I am for reasonable gun control. The laws we have now I believe are generally adequate. I really do not know which branch of the Democratic party I would belong to. All I know is that I am not a Republican. I do not believe in extremely lax monetary and fiscal policy. I think conservative social policies are some of the biggest ironies of the Republican party because most are pro-big government.

Now, with what you have said, a couple points. Benghazi happened, and the same thing has happened under Dubya Bush, yet no Republican or Democrat batted an eye. I really do feel like Republicans in congress are just throwing anything they can because they legitimately want Obama to fail. Now I don't know about you, or anyone else here, but I don't want my president to fail. I absolutely was repulsed by Dubya, I think he was a terrible president. However, I did not ever wish for him to fail. That senator in Kentucky McConnell said the Republicans' only mission was to ensure Obama fails. Pretty harsh man, it's not like Obama personally harmed you or something. And the IRS screwing American citizens? I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean how they targeted Tea Party groups? Good, I believe no organization should be tax exempt, even churches. The only exemptions should be charities that donate to good causes, not political ones.

Am I happy with democrats in power? Hell no. Am I happy with Obama? Not really. But he is my president and I do not want to see him fail as a president. Now I know some people here may not like everything I have to say and may get negative responses, but that's okay with me. I am not trying to convert anyone, I'll respect your views if you respect mine. I visit this forum because I am pro-2nd amendment and it's a good hobby that I like. As an American I have no problem using my 1st amendment rights to free speech so I can share my opinion with all of you good people. I don't expect anyone to agree with what I have to say, but I do expect everyone to agree that I have a right to say it.

The idea of Obama failing is very simple, if he succeeds with what he wants to do, it will destroy this country. And he is succeeding. Stimulus, obamacare, guns, IRS, more wars, Trillions MORE in debt, etc, this is what is meant by wanting him to fail, and you should want him to fail at what he wants to do. You have every right to say whatever you want, which is great, its just that your party has a huge problem with anyone else using that right. The IRS tries to silence conservatives, Democrats BLAME an american youtube video maker for muslim crazy people, Democrats want to rack up more and more debt, and raise taxes on EVERYONE, how can you be anywhere near in favor of this? So 4 americans died at one of our embassies under Bush? Maybe i missed that one, benghazi happened and they LIED ABOUT IT, only to further their political agenda and that is to progress the lie that the war on terror was won by obama. what a joke. The problem is that you could have seen that this is how is presidency would have gone way before he got elected. And its "good" that they targeted a SPECIFIC GROUP OF AMERICANS? Just cuz you dont think anyone should be tax exempt? Fine, thats not a bad idea that no one should be tax exempt, but havent you missed the entire point completely? YUP, the democrats used gov't power to single out their opposition and silence them and restrict their constitutional rights. You have to agree that is wrong. just cuz you may not like the tea party and dont want tax exemptions, well who writes the tax code with all the exemptions for these types of groups? DEMOCRATS!!! No republican tells a woman what to do with her body other than she cant KILL THE BABY. republicans say that I should not be FORCED to pay for some person's birth control, if they want it, they go pay for it, whats wrong with that? There is not a single republican ideal that is in the bedroom, you have heard the talking point over and over and believe it, yet democrats are the ones in the bedrooms of young girls, giving out free birth control, condoms, etc, then going INTO HER BODY AND KILLING THE CHILD. wow, that is just nasty. Gay marriage is also a real simple idea, if gays want marriage, then they have to call it something else, and chicken isnt a goat just because you want it to be. a man and a man is not the same as a man and a woman, traditionally, scientifically, and religiously. Even California voted against it when given the chance, the country is largely against gay marriage, so republicans are right in line with the majority on that one.

And republicans are throwing anything they can? Lies about benghazi where people DIED, lies about the IRS targeting specific groups of americans to restrict their first amendment rights, LYING about Fast and Furious and then covering it up(W did something like it but the GUNS WERE TRACKED, thousands of bad guys arrested and put away, no american deaths, under Obama, no tracking, thousands of guns just walked across the border and never found, and americans died to prove you wrong about the looming argument that "well bush started it" as liberals love to do), Lies about obamacare, it now costs double and is a "nightmare"-quoted from a DEMOCRAT and many others now admit its horrible, Lies about the stimulus, but i guess these things are just "anything they can find" right?? Do i need to cite more examples?

Let me just ask you this, do you run your life as a democrat or republican? Example-do you leave your doors unlocked knowing there are illegal drug runners right outside your door? Do you rack up credit card debt each month that you can only pay the minimum payment while racking up 60% more than you take in each month? Do you use your paycheck to pay for your neighbors housing, utilities, clunker, health care, pension, legal counsel, food, and cell phone? Do you want to pat down grandma at the airport but not profile muslims? If you dont think people who are related should marry then you are DISCRIMINATING against them, what if a man and his son "love" each other? How do you know they dont love each other?????? ridiculous right? The point is almost NO ONE lives their lives as democrats run gov't, and the ones that do live it for a very short period of time and then become broke! So if you arent living as a democrat, how can you vote as one? I mean shouldnt there be no more poor people since democrats care so much for the poor, yet every place they are in power, there are more poor people and more crime! i mean arent they against all that stuff? Oh it must be W's fault.

 

[MisterChester]

This is a very long post and I intend to respond to it, I am at work right now and will post it when I am home. Imagine that, a democrat that works

 

[zippy23]

Ha! its tough when you have been taught for so long how evil and bad the other side is, yet you identify with so many things that they do! a democrat that works, well if its for the gov't thats understandable, i'd be amazed if you were in the private sector and not a union(just ruffling the feathers a bit!!)

 

[zippy23]

Are you against Prostitution?!?!?! that would be telling a woman what to do with her body!! UH OH We have a closet conservative i think!!!

 

[MisterChester]

Nope, I work in the private sector, no union. To be frank I have mixed feelings on unions. And I am not totally against prostitution. I think Nevada has the right idea.

 

[spearheadersarge]

The stock market has recovered? Really? Ever heard of QE1, 2, n 3? The fed has been pumping $85B a month into the economy during BHO's entire first term. Stimulus? It's outright fraud! The only reason the stock market has "recovered" is the dollar value has equalized. When the govt prints trillions out of thin air it devalues ALL the remaining money. When a company was worth $100M in 2009, after all the spending and printing and govt propping up of the economy, it is now worth more than twice that in value due to the shrunken dollar. The value is the same, it just costs more money to buy. Don't believe me? Been to the grocery store or gas pump lately? Same principle! It looks good on paper and makes everyone think it's all good, but without an economic expansion and more people getting hired this thing is a hollow rotten tree ready to go down at the first big thunderstorm! We are in deep doodoo and everyone knows it! Cut your debt, reduce costs, become self sufficient, or suffer at your own peril!

 

[zippy23]

Prostitution creates more crime, more drug use, the spreading of more disease, a ton more abortions and even births of children addicted to drugs and all messed up, it invites even more crime than itself, and its a complete abuse of women, i am completely against the abuse of women, as for democrats well, i guess they are for the abuse of women, they did vote for gender selected abortions! so who has the real war on women?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Okay, here goes nothing.

I am a registered Democrat, and I'm not ashamed of it. However, I do not agree with a lot of what my party has to say. I have much less in common with the Republican party, gun rights being the only thing. I lean left socially and am a moderate with fiscal/monetary policy and foreign policy. I believe the government has no place to tell you who you can marry(I would place special emphasis on the fact that the Constitution does not give the federal government authority to involve itself in the issue), IMHO 2 consenting adults who aren't related is all that matters(why is being related a problem? That prohibition is found just down the page in the same religious text that forbids homosexuality which you obviously do not consider authoritative). I am pro-choice, the government should not tell a woman what to do with her body(the problem isn't doing to her own body, but rather the murder of someone else's). I am for equal pay between men and women, work is work and money is money(if it is in fact equal work. If you accept the leftist notion of this concept, it is equal pay for equal job description. Pay people what they are worth without regard for gender. Don't lower the standards for women, and conversely pay a woman more if she does a better job than a man. Base the exchange on the exchange of actual value, not socialistic notions of equality which are equal in name only). But when it comes to guns, ***damn it it's in our constitution in black and white. Now, I am for reasonable gun control(what infringements on a right with the constitutional declaration 'shall not be infringed' do you find acceptable?). The laws we have now I believe are generally adequate(as I read it, they all are excessive. Prohibiting misuse such as murder being illegal is more than adequate.). I really do not know which branch of the Democratic party I would belong to. All I know is that I am not a Republican. I do not believe in extremely lax monetary and fiscal policy(that could be good or bad depending entirely upon how you define this). I think conservative social policies are some of the biggest ironies of the Republican party because most are pro-big government(neither party is any friend of government downsized to fit within its constitutional limits).

Now, with what you have said, a couple points. Benghazi happened, and the same thing has happened under Dubya Bush, yet no Republican or Democrat batted an eye(I cannot recall any Americans being massacred over a prolonged period of time while senior members of the Bush administration specifically ordered nearby military units to stand down rather than defend our people). I really do feel like Republicans in congress are just throwing anything they can because they legitimately want Obama to fail(If they don't they are traitors, as would be the case with anyone whose mission is to dismantle the republic). Now I don't know about you, or anyone else here, but I don't want my president to fail. I absolutely was repulsed by Dubya, I think he was a terrible president. However, I did not ever wish for him to fail. That senator in Kentucky McConnell said the Republicans' only mission was to ensure Obama fails. Pretty harsh man, it's not like Obama personally harmed you or something(How can you say that this stupid MFSB hasn't harmed us? He certainly doesn't have a monopoly on doing so, but he has done more damage in less time than any of his predecessors, including the legendarily stupid Carter). And the IRS screwing American citizens? I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean how they targeted Tea Party groups? Good, I believe no organization should be tax exempt, even churches(why should any organization gathering and spending on my behalf my money WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN TAXED be taxed again? There is no justification for this other than deliberate malfeasance on the parts of those engineering policy and gross stupidity on the parts of those who support it). The only exemptions should be charities that donate to good causes(your cause is a 'good' cause, but mine isn't? How in the universe do you justify that?), not political ones.

Am I happy with democrats in power? Hell no. Am I happy with Obama? Not really. But he is my president and I do not want to see him fail as a president(so then Comrade Chester, you support the destruction of the republic in favor of a socialist state which has failed in Russia, China--as evidenced by the fact that they have transitioned to an authoritarian state with a basically capitalistic economy--Eastern Europe, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, several African nations, Vietnam, and last but not least North Korea? You really think socialism is the answer?). Now I know some people here may not like everything I have to say and may get negative responses, but that's okay with me. I am not trying to convert anyone, I'll respect your views if you respect mine. I visit this forum because I am pro-2nd amendment and it's a good hobby that I like(you see it only as a hobby?). As an American I have no problem using my 1st amendment rights to free speech so I can share my opinion with all of you good people. I don't expect anyone to agree with what I have to say, but I do expect everyone to agree that I have a right to say it(finally you have reached a solid principle compatible with a free republic).

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[MisterChester]

Oh man am I going to have a field day here. I shall answer in due time.

 

[copperhead-1911]

So if Obama is the holder (I wouldn't even classify him that important)... what was Bush?

The coach who wrote the plays that got the ball into field goal position.

 

[RobbyMaQ]

Closed. Religious discussion continued.