The President Trump Immigration Thread

[IndyDave1776]

Just a lil hyperbole here, right?

None whatsoever. If this worthless piece of sh*t wants to endanger the rest of us by taking an order to restrict entry from 6 countries which offer no means to verify the identity or integrity of potential immigrants/refugees and are known to be sources of terrorists, screaming "BUT ISLAM! FREEDOM OF RELIGION!" and declaring it unconstitutional, he is aiding enemies with whom we are at war who have openly declared their intent to infiltrate in this way, and should not be breathing our air.

When exactly did that memo go out? You think we might want to remind any of the Republican Farmers that they must change their party or no longer may they farm? From what source, I mean reputable source are you getting this nonsense?

If you pay attention to what he said, he apparently observed this himself.

He wasn't abusing them, I imagine. He was paying the competitive wage amongst those willing to do that job based on all workers available. LOL

Not sure about this example, but I wouldn't bet on it. It has been about 10 years since I really had my finger on the pulse here, but at that time in Indianapolis, one could hire as many illegals as he wanted for $20 apiece per day. Needless to say, this was significantly below minimum wage.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

It?s time to finally cut off the jobs magnet for illegal immigrants | TheHill

Universal E-Verify for employment... goes to the root of both illegal border crossers and visa-overstays - - - JOBS. Combined with better border security, internal enforcement AND increased H-2B visas for legal migrant workforce gets control of the illegal immigration problem... and increases tax revenue as legal temporary migrant workers on the books pay taxes, illegals don't. And, instead of paying cartels $3,000 - $6,000 to creoss the border, legal visa holders can pay a few hundred for a bus or airplane ticket.

Jobs taken by illegal immigrants are most often off the books, with zero payroll taxes collected by local and federal governments.

 

[Trigger Time]

None whatsoever. If this worthless piece of sh*t wants to endanger the rest of us by taking an order to restrict entry from 6 countries which offer no means to verify the identity or integrity of potential immigrants/refugees and are known to be sources of terrorists, screaming "BUT ISLAM! FREEDOM OF RELIGION!" and declaring it unconstitutional, he is aiding enemies with whom we are at war who have openly declared their intent to infiltrate in this way, and should not be breathing our air.



If you pay attention to what he said, he apparently observed this himself.



Not sure about this example, but I wouldn't bet on it. It has been about 10 years since I really had my finger on the pulse here, but at that time in Indianapolis, one could hire as many illegals as he wanted for $20 apiece per day. Needless to say, this was significantly below minimum wage.

Throw $20 in the back of a semi truck with jugs of water and drive it to turn over to customs. The good old days lol. Now they know they're being hunted

 

[SheepDog4Life]

ICE Has Arrested More Than 400 In Operation Targeting Parents Who Pay Smugglers : NPR

This quote says it all:

"It's remarkably inhumane to pay to turn your child over to an organization that smuggles heroin, cocaine and human beings, and say, 'I trust you to bring me a child,'"

 

[Twangbanger]

ICE Has Arrested More Than 400 In Operation Targeting Parents Who Pay Smugglers : NPR

This quote says it all:

Dawg, your link is very illuminating:


"...The (ICE) operation put two federal departments at cross purposes. There's Health and Human Services, which is charged with taking custody of underage migrants fleeing violence and poverty in Central America. The agency finds them sponsors — often a family member who lives in the U.S. Sponsors undergo a background check, and they're supposed to ensure the young person's wellbeing, and make sure they show up for court dates.

Then there's Homeland Security, which has chosen to target these same sponsors in order to choke off revenue to international smuggling rings.
But one former government official says the enforcement operation is hindering the placement of immigrant children in households because sponsors are afraid to pick up the kids. That means they can end up living in government-run shelters indefinitely.

"My former government colleagues are telling me that these actions have had a chilling effect on the willingness of sponsors to come forward," said Robert Carey, who left in January as head of the Office of Refugee Resettlement — the agency in charge of so-called "unaccompanied children.""...The Office of Refugee Resettlement has been swamped with immigrant children in recent years. From 2014 to June of this year, the agency took in 170,000 unaccompanied children. By law, the agency must feed, shelter, and provide medical care for them."

ICE says that smugglers cynically take advantage of this hospitality. They know when these young travelers surrender at the border, the U.S. has to accept them and deliver them to a sponsor. That's less work for the smuggler.

"That's not what the system was ever set up for. The system was set up to ensure the protection of children, not to finish a smuggling conspiracy," said Jack Staton, acting assistant director for ICE Homeland Security Investigations..."

So - why are the "sponsors" afraid to come forward?

What does their "background check" consist of?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Dawg, your link is very illuminating:


"...The (ICE) operation put two federal departments at cross purposes. There's Health and Human Services, which is charged with taking custody of underage migrants fleeing violence and poverty in Central America. The agency finds them sponsors — often a family member who lives in the U.S. Sponsors undergo a background check, and they're supposed to ensure the young person's wellbeing, and make sure they show up for court dates.

Then there's Homeland Security, which has chosen to target these same sponsors in order to choke off revenue to international smuggling rings.
But one former government official says the enforcement operation is hindering the placement of immigrant children in households because sponsors are afraid to pick up the kids. That means they can end up living in government-run shelters indefinitely.

"My former government colleagues are telling me that these actions have had a chilling effect on the willingness of sponsors to come forward," said Robert Carey, who left in January as head of the Office of Refugee Resettlement — the agency in charge of so-called "unaccompanied children.""...The Office of Refugee Resettlement has been swamped with immigrant children in recent years. From 2014 to June of this year, the agency took in 170,000 unaccompanied children. By law, the agency must feed, shelter, and provide medical care for them."

ICE says that smugglers cynically take advantage of this hospitality. They know when these young travelers surrender at the border, the U.S. has to accept them and deliver them to a sponsor. That's less work for the smuggler.

"That's not what the system was ever set up for. The system was set up to ensure the protection of children, not to finish a smuggling conspiracy," said Jack Staton, acting assistant director for ICE Homeland Security Investigations..."

So - why are the "sponsors" afraid to come forward?

What does their "background check" consist of?

IMO, it shows the unintended consequences of Obama... or rather the intended consequence (more illegal immigration), just not vocalized by Obama and company. Create a "free entry" program and they will come. Under Obama, illegally present aliens could come collect the kids without fear of deportation if they were "only" in the country illegally.

Jim Costa's Ignorance

On a different subject, and a bit tardy in my posting it, this article has the numbers for English speakers in the world. CNN's Jim Costa accused the Trump administration, through spokesperson Miller, of favoring Brits and Aussies with the English language preference. As this article shows, the UK and Australian are #5 and #12 in the number of English speakers with India, Nigeria and Philipines each having more anglophones than #5 Uk.

Pure ignorance.

https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/white-house-press-corps-fails-immigration-101

ETA: this quote from the article:

Altogether, there are over one billion people throughout the world who speak English. The vast majority of these persons live outside of Great Britain and Australia.

The populations of the UK and Australia are 61 million and 17 million, respectively. That means 89.5% of the non-American English speakers in the world live somewhere else other than the UK and Australia.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Canada's Trudeau warns against entering country 'irregularly' | Reuters

Lol, welcome them and they will come. Dumb***.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Border agents discover hidden tunnel near US-Mexico border after 30 people detained - ABC News

This article's headline of border apprehensions being up is somewhat misleading, since a reading of the article indicates that this is ONLY true in the 60 miles of the San Diego section, not in the other 19 sectors of the border. Perhaps this little gem of a fact helps explain why:

In that sector, agents are responsible for 60 miles, with only 46 miles having some type of fence. Of those 46 miles, 13 miles have a second fence, taller than the first one.

Only 13 miles out of 60 miles has double fencing... in the San Diego sector... and 14 miles have NO FENCE WHATSOEVER!

 

[KLB]

Border agents discover hidden tunnel near US-Mexico border after 30 people detained - ABC News

This article's headline of border apprehensions being up is somewhat misleading, since a reading of the article indicates that this is ONLY true in the 60 miles of the San Diego section, not in the other 19 sectors of the border. Perhaps this little gem of a fact helps explain why:



Only 13 miles out of 60 miles has double fencing... in the San Diego sector... and 14 miles have NO FENCE WHATSOEVER!

I remember being in Douglas AZ in the late 90s and the fence ended just outside of town. You could see if driving down the road out of town.

 

[Trigger Time]

Electrify the fence

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I remember being in Douglas AZ in the late 90s and the fence ended just outside of town. You could see if driving down the road out of town.

Here are the numbers for the current 700 miles of fence/wall as of May 2015:

353 miles of Primary Pedestrian Fencing.
36 miles of Secondary Fencing.
14 miles of Tertiary Pedestrian Fencing.
300 miles of Vehicle Fencing.

Note that only 36 miles currently has double layered fencing... originally, all 700 miles was to be double layered with a border patrol road in between.

The Current State of the Border Fence

So, yeah, there are still lots of "gaps" in the part that is "fenced". Like this:

 

[IndyDave1776]

Electrify the fence

Fill the tunnels with water.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Fill the tunnels with water.

Nah, radioactive waste is a better deterrent.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Some other gaps in the current wall... where the wall ends outside El Paso:

Outside Jacumba, California:

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Many news articles on President Trump's upcoming DACA announcement. This headline seems the most likely policy, to halt issuing newly minted DACA certs, but to grandfather in those who already possess them for some period of time, likely two years, and leave it to congress to set the longer term legislative path.

"Trump expected to halt Obama’s program but allow some Dreamers to stay temporarily":


Trump is expected to end program that protects Dreamers from deportation | McClatchy Washington Bureau

(and, of course, the page cached headline is different, lol)

 

[Kutnupe14]

Many news articles on President Trump's upcoming DACA announcement. This headline seems the most likely policy, to halt issuing newly minted DACA certs, but to grandfather in those who already possess them for some period of time, likely two years, and leave it to congress to set the longer term legislative path.

"Trump expected to halt Obama’s program but allow some Dreamers to stay temporarily":


Trump is expected to end program that protects Dreamers from deportation | McClatchy Washington Bureau

(and, of course, the page cached headline is different, lol)

If DACAs entered the nation prior to age 16, they should be granted legal permanent residence, and to obtain citizenship they must apply. Then set a clear date, that anyone not identified by that time as being DACA, if discovered, would be repatriated back to their home nation.

 

[KLB]

Many news articles on President Trump's upcoming DACA announcement. This headline seems the most likely policy, to halt issuing newly minted DACA certs, but to grandfather in those who already possess them for some period of time, likely two years, and leave it to congress to set the longer term legislative path.

"Trump expected to halt Obama’s program but allow some Dreamers to stay temporarily":


Trump is expected to end program that protects Dreamers from deportation | McClatchy Washington Bureau

(and, of course, the page cached headline is different, lol)

I would support the synopsis you gave of the plan. Congress is where this should be taken care of.

 

[HoughMade]

If DACAs entered the nation prior to age 16, they should be granted legal permanent residence, and to obtain citizenship they must apply. Then set a clear date, that anyone not identified by that time as being DACA, if discovered, would be repatriated back to their home nation.

Seems legit, with the caveat that the 5 years to be a citizen starts to run when they are actually granted permanent legal resident status...and no "anchor babies" or "anchor dreamers". They can stay, you can't. The U.S. isn't breaking up your family, you are.

 

[indiucky]

If DACAs entered the nation prior to age 16, they should be granted legal permanent residence, and to obtain citizenship they must apply. Then set a clear date, that anyone not identified by that time as being DACA, if discovered, would be repatriated back to their home nation.

I am good with that.....

 

[indiucky]

They can stay, you can't. The U.S. isn't breaking up your family, you are.

QFT