Well MrsG i guess i put my foot in my mouth. I just went and talked to the Plant Manager. He was very apologetic, but what happens is they charge for a set (to set the machine up for a production run) ,the reason uline (which we do sell to ) can charge a low price is they buy 10,000 boxs at $300. for a set up. So at a $1. per box they are making a killing lol. But we would have to charge a set up fee so its cheaper for you to buy from uline and line their pockets. I'm sorry i spoke befor checking.that would be great if it can save me a dime. my orders are usually only for 25 or so boxes at a time. I don't use these boxes often, but when I need them, I have to have them.