The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[COOPADUP]

They are all distancing themselves from crazy Bernie.

 

[churchmouse]

Yang is now endorsing Biden.

So the deal is sealed and the checks have cleared.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

So the deal is sealed and the checks have cleared.

It would appear so.

 

[churchmouse]

It would appear so.

Follow the money and power.

 

[jamil]

Personality wise - yep. Both are a-holes and jerks.
Also there's not much question that Biden is a kleptocrat, given the evidence that came out over the last few months.
Difference is - one has openly stated that he wants to disarm you and put Beto in charge of it. The other has publicly stated (and acted) quite the opposite.
And then there's the question of coattails - if you elect Biden , who does that empower vs who gets empowered if you re-elect Trump.

So which do you choose? Even if you have to hold your nose.


You knew I was a snake when you picked me up....

I do not want to imagine the scenario where Biden wins, the House stays in the hands of Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer runs the Senate.

 

[drillsgt]

I do not want to imagine the scenario where Biden wins, the House stays in the hands of Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer runs the Senate.

It would basically be VA for the entire country, every left-wing wish list item would be fair game.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I do not want to imagine the scenario where Biden wins, the House stays in the hands of Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer runs the Senate.

I find this scenario more frightening than the coronavirus by orders of magnitude.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Someone called him a moderate last week. He said, “no, I’m a progressive.”

Guns are a grudge issue for democrat politicians. They’ll push it regardless. And I’m pretty sure they’ll raise MY taxes. It’s what they do. Pelosi has been [STRIKE]chomping[/STRIKE] gumming at the bit to roll back my tax breaks.

Here’s the way I see it... Say Biden wins the presidency. Let’s say it’s at least a Blue ripple and the democrats take over the senate. If a bill to put AR-15s on the NFA (pick a bill, say UBCs or magazine limitations or any combination or permutation of their greatest hits) list makes it to his desk, does he sign it?

My money is on “yes”. And with great fanfare.

 

[T.Lex]

I do not want to imagine the scenario where Biden wins, the House stays in the hands of Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer runs the Senate.

We had 2 years of Obama (who was apparently more actually progressive than Biden has historically been), Pelosi, and Byrd/Inouye.

That Congress had significant suck - Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, some others. But was conspicuously light on gun control, as I recall.

Wait.

That was when they passed the bumpstock ban, right?

Oh never mind.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Just an epilogue on the whole wealth inequality discussion:

The last 2 1/2 weeks have erased $7 Trillion in wealth from the stock market... and hence taken a big bite out of wealth inequality in the US... it measurably (by $7 trillion) reduced the wealth difference between the haves and the have-nots in this country.

Yay!

Right?

 

[drillsgt]

We had 2 years of Obama (who was apparently more actually progressive than Biden has historically been), Pelosi, and Byrd/Inouye.

That Congress had significant suck - Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, some others. But was conspicuously light on gun control, as I recall.

Wait.

That was when they passed the bumpstock ban, right?

Oh never mind.

It was likely because of obamacare and some other priorities that gun control didn't happen but not for lack of wanting i'm sure.

 

[Brad69]

So is this real?

The Democrats are going to back a man who never has been considered intelligent he failed at running for President twice for plagiarism (lying).
”Ol Joe” is not a gaffe machine he is old man senile most of have witnessed this all of our life’s same stories over and over, forgets time date place and you guys know how it goes.

Here a clip from Australia a very left leaning country they are as perplexed as I am!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4VH2JjWDnk

BTW

”Ol Joe” has called for a AWB and confiscating them and wants to sue Gun makers he is far left of BHO on gun control plus he wants Michael Frances O’Rourke to be a “gun czar”.

 

[nonobaddog]

Crazy joe is sure no moderate when it comes to guns. I don't see how any sane person that knows/likes guns and respects the constitution of the United States could vote for him. It makes no sense.

 

[T.Lex]

Crazy joe is sure no moderate when it comes to guns. I don't see how any sane person that knows/likes guns and respects the constitution of the United States could vote for him. It makes no sense.

That's not really the end of the calculus.

How likely is it that Biden - or any Dem - would be able to get the votes for the required legislation? Obama presided over some of the most tragic gun violence in US history. Couldn't accomplish anything, despite talking big about it.

For a segment of pro-2A voters (of unquantifiable size), Biden presents an overall-politically-moderate option. Using Obama's first term as a template, his agenda would likely include more changes to healthcare (which could be really bad from a policy perspective), immigration reform (which could take up the entire term), and tax raising. Those 3 things would be some seriously heavy lifting, while retaining the 2A issues for a wedge issue while running for a 2nd term.

That's just the political game he's trying to play.

Just look at this cycle - Beto got dropped like hot brass after his "we're coming for your guns" soundbite. Bloomberg - the poster boy for gun control - couldn't even win a primary. The 2A stuff is a fringe issue for Dems who actually vote.

Don't spin this into an endorsement of Biden. He sucks. But, you expressed confusion about how lukewarm pro-2A voters could vote for him, so I'm trying to explain it to you.

 

[BugI02]

So it's a wash?

But Trump? Really? I knew Dems would sell Bloomberg the nom if he could get to the convention in a position for a backroom deal, despite him being pretty much everything they claim to be against. But for you to go with Creepy Racist Joe, ignoring his obvious mental issues, exposes what I am forced to conclude is full blown TDS. You know Trump has done and will do good things for the economy and America in general, but you will go with the vague promises to do stuff and increase the freebies either because you just have to finally get a win against Trump or you wish to slip an individual into the big chair, who couldn't get elected to the spot, by placing them as #2 to a fragile, senile old man who can't go the distance.

Damn the country, full speed ahead. I look forward to months of entertainment as you are forced to defend every ill conceived utterance that he makes on the campaign trail

 

[nonobaddog]

How likely is it that Biden - or any Dem - would be able to get the votes for the required legislation? Obama presided over some of the most tragic gun violence in US history. Couldn't accomplish anything, despite talking big about it.

For a segment of pro-2A voters (of unquantifiable size), Biden presents an overall-politically-moderate option. Using Obama's first term as a template, his agenda would likely include more changes to healthcare (which could be really bad from a policy perspective), immigration reform (which could take up the entire term), and tax raising. Those 3 things would be some seriously heavy lifting, while retaining the 2A issues for a wedge issue while running for a 2nd term.

That's just the political game he's trying to play.

Just look at this cycle - Beto got dropped like hot brass after his "we're coming for your guns" soundbite. Bloomberg - the poster boy for gun control - couldn't even win a primary. The 2A stuff is a fringe issue for Dems who actually vote.

Don't spin this into an endorsement of Biden. He sucks. But, you expressed confusion about how lukewarm pro-2A voters could vote for him, so I'm trying to explain it to you.

Ah yes, the old 'it won't happen' rationalization. That makes no sense to me at all. Just because I have never been in a car accident is no guarantee what-so-ever that I won't be in one tomorrow.
Voting for dumocraps is like playing with fire and saying 'I have not been burned so far, see, it is very safe.'
That makes no sense to me.

I did not express confusion, however I do sense it in the faulty logic presented.

 

[Ingomike]

They're not interested in the midwestern states, they need someone that can influence TX or FL. With the degree of wokeness now within the democrat party a white woman will not be up to par, they'll likely need to pull in someone hispanic.

There is validity in this, but they also need to shore up the black vote.

 

[T.Lex]

Ah yes, the old 'it won't happen' rationalization. That makes no sense to me at all. Just because I have never been in a car accident is no guarantee what-so-ever that I won't be in one tomorrow.
Voting for dumocraps is like playing with fire and saying 'I have not been burned so far, see, it is very safe.'
That makes no sense to me.

I did not express confusion, however I do sense it in the faulty logic presented.

Yes you did. Let me remind you:

Crazy joe is sure no moderate when it comes to guns. I don't see how any sane person that knows/likes guns and respects the constitution of the United States could vote for him. It makes no sense.

The concern about federal gun control is legitimate. 2A supporters need to be ready to mobilize politically to prevent it (even when erstwhile Republicans are in office). Modern history suggests that when a Dem is POTUS, that mobilization isn't really a problem.

My post was not an argument against preparedness.

Rather, it describes a political calculus that you don't want to admit.

In fact, as a Trump supporter, it is somewhat similar to the rationalization for voting for Trump. "He says stuff that I don't agree with, but overall I like what he has to offer."

Biden is a deeply flawed candidate, even by Dem standards. But, he's better than HRC or any of the people actually in the field. Allegedly.

 

[Ingomike]

Yang is now endorsing Biden.

The democrat party money and power are creating all of this.

 

[Doug]

The Democrats only want to ban private ownership of the type of firearms that have been used in war.

AR-15's, AK-47's, M-14's, semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic pistols, bolt-action rifles, revolvers, shotguns, single-shot rifles, cap-lock muzzle loaders, flintlock muzzle loaders, matchlock muzzle loaders and anything else they can think of.