The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[Kutnupe14]

Trump didn't say anything racist and he isn't racist.
Those four are the worst members of congress and deserve to be called out.
It does seem kind of stupid for the dumocraps to keep pointing out that they are all women of color.

The first part is open to debate, and the second you couldn't possibly know.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

The first part is open to debate, and the second you couldn't possibly know.

I thought about saying something similar.

But it's such a muddy subject.

Did he say something "racist", with all the context? Probably not.

Is he racist? We have no evidence to say "yes". We have lots of evidence to imply "yes".... but, we have lots of evidence to imply "no". So it ends up being situation where we take our pre-conceived thoughts on him and choose which ones to pay attention to.

I don't think he's racist. I think he has beliefs with regards to immigration, and I don't think those are necessarily "racist"

 

[KG1]

I would put it this way. I think those on the left want to portray Trump as a racist for political gain just as much or more than anything Trump would say to exploit racial insecurity for political gain if that is indeed what he’s trying to do.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[Spear Dane]

Perfectly expressed.

 

[Jludo]

I thought about saying something similar.

But it's such a muddy subject.

Did he say something "racist", with all the context? Probably not.

Is he racist? We have no evidence to say "yes". We have lots of evidence to imply "yes".... but, we have lots of evidence to imply "no". So it ends up being situation where we take our pre-conceived thoughts on him and choose which ones to pay attention to.

I don't think he's racist. I think he has beliefs with regards to immigration, and I don't think those are necessarily "racist"

I highly doubt he even has beliefs on immigration, I think he stumbled into something that got a big response and ran with it.

If anything I think he personally likes having cheap immigrant labor in his business ventures. Didn't that used to be the criticism of fat cat republicans? Undercutting american worker wages so they could make a buck?

 

[T.Lex]

Trump may or may not be racist.

What should be undeniable is that he's an opportunistic, narcissistic, unprincipled asshat.

In terms of which would be worse, it turns into a tallest midget kinda thing.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Good piece about the insanity of writing people out of your life because you have some political differences.

Meeting my girlfriend's conservative parents

 

[HoughMade]

...What should be undeniable is that he's an opportunistic, narcissistic, unprincipled asshat...

Read back through this thread. For some reason, a lot of people seem to think that these are good things.

 

[T.Lex]

Read back through this thread. For some reason, a lot of people seem to think that these are good things.

Thus, "undeniable."

I'm all about consensus.

 

[Jludo]

Good piece about the insanity of writing people out of your life because you have some political differences.

Meeting my girlfriend's conservative parents

That's a great read. Vast majority of people who disagree with you politically want the same outcomes, just have different ideas how to bring them about.

 

[Sigblitz]

That's a great read. Vast majority of people who disagree with you politically want the same outcomes, just have different ideas how to bring them about.

I disagree.

 

[BugI02]

If the president said he was a racist, would you still support him? I asked this because I thought the obvious answer would be no. Tonight however I saw that question posed to Kris Kobach, and was shocked at his answer.

Racism as a charge has just become #youToo

 

[BugI02]

The first part is open to debate, and the second you couldn't possibly know.

Nor can you, so it just becomes a matter of opinion

 

[BugI02]

I highly doubt he even has beliefs on immigration, I think he stumbled into something that got a big response and ran with it.

If anything I think he personally likes having cheap immigrant labor in his business ventures. Didn't that used to be the criticism of fat cat republicans? Undercutting american worker wages so they could make a buck?

This is another familiar trope. When not vilifying him as a racist and bigot, try to paint him as a stumbling boob out of his depth. But when we judge him by results - second term

 

[ghuns]

...He does not have to be this offensive to do that. He just can’t help but attack, childishly, when policy attacks would be fine...

He just can't help it. It's compulsive behavior.

Of course the Dems are compulsively trying to out bats**t crazy eachother.

 

[BugI02]

Trump may or may not be racist.

What should be undeniable is that he's an opportunistic, narcissistic, unprincipled asshat.

In terms of which would be worse, it turns into a tallest midget kinda thing.

You're operating in the same quadrant as Kut, confusing what you think with what you think you know

This seems common in folk who think their opinion should count for more because it's theirs




​WBTT®

 

[HoughMade]

He just can't help it. It's compulsive behavior.

Of course the Dems are compulsively trying to out bats**t crazy eachother.

No disagreements on this at all.

...and I've been thinking...we need to broaden our horizons.

Let's take a short trip outside the Western Hemisphere

Priyanka Chopra

 

[actaeon277]

Good piece about the insanity of writing people out of your life because you have some political differences.

Meeting my girlfriend's conservative parents

He discovered what people are supposed to already know.

 

[Jludo]

He discovered what people are supposed to already know.

Which is a good thing.
I'm not sure some here aren't in the same pre epiphany camp.