The confederate flag.

[indiucky]

In all of this talk about the flag we sometimes forget that lives were lost in that war...Some of those lives were Southern...I love this letter General Lee wrote to the mother of a slain soldier...It brings tears to my eyes.....

Lest we forget....

[video=youtube;kaKX1lRAjBU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaKX1lRAjBU[/video]

 

[femurphy77]

This is a response to another Yahoo "Throw more gas on the fire", "article".

"The Confederate flag in question (The state of Virginia battle flag to be precise) WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A SYMBOL OF RACISM when it was first instituted during the Civil War but rather it was in-fact used as a symbol of southern pride and defiance against "Northern Aggression" in the context of "States Rights"!! I'm a Civil War historian/collector and almost all of the official southern government documents and private correspondence that I have studied over the past 30 plus years related to The Civil War and southern life, almost makes no mention of racial issues. Even the personal correspondence of important politicians, high ranking military leaders, including that of the common soldier have almost without exception all dealt with political issues related to "Northern Tyranny" imposed against the South in the context of "States Rights" issues. Again, very little war-dated or even post-war dated private correspondence or official government documents makes reference to slavery or racial sentiment implicit or explicit much less referencing what the Confederate state flag specifically stood for other than the fact that the Virginia state battle flag like the original “Stars and Bars" Confederate battle flag was designed to stand-out clearly in the midst of a smoke filled battlefield!! In-fact it wasn't until well after the Civil War during the 1870's that the Klu-Klux-Klan which was co-founded by General Nathan Bedford Forrest purely as A SOUTHERN FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION, that the group eventually high-jacked the Virginia state battle flag and made it their symbol which then morphed over-time into the truly violent and hate-filled racist organization that we know today as depicted in the monumental film--"Birth Of A Nation."--THE SYMBOLISM OR MEANING BEHIND THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IN THE EYES OF MOST SOUTHERNERS DURING THE TIME OF THE CIVIL WAR CLEARLY HAD LESS TO DO WITH RACIST SENTIMENT OR ATTITUDES AND MUCH MORE TO DO WITH THEIR PRIDE AND DEFIANCE AGAINST A NORTHERN INVADER IN THE CONTEXT OF STATES RIGHTS!!—IN-FACT THE VAST MAJORITY OF SOUTHERNERS DID--NOT--OWN--SLAVES!!--Today most southerners fly the Confederate flag simply to show southern pride and to honor their ancestors who fought valiantly during the Civil War!!!!"

My response to this was that people aren't interested in facts unless of course they are distorted to meet their interests.

 

[Kutnupe14]

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This is a response to another Yahoo "Throw more gas on the fire", "article".

"The Confederate flag in question (The state of Virginia battle flag to be precise) WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A SYMBOL OF RACISM when it was first instituted during the Civil War but rather it was in-fact used as a symbol of southern pride and defiance against "Northern Aggression" in the context of "States Rights"!! I'm a Civil War historian/collector and almost all of the official southern government documents and private correspondence that I have studied over the past 30 plus years related to The Civil War and southern life, almost makes no mention of racial issues. Even the personal correspondence of important politicians, high ranking military leaders, including that of the common soldier have almost without exception all dealt with political issues related to "Northern Tyranny" imposed against the South in the context of "States Rights" issues. Again, very little war-dated or even post-war dated private correspondence or official government documents makes reference to slavery or racial sentiment implicit or explicit much less referencing what the Confederate state flag specifically stood for other than the fact that the Virginia state battle flag like the original “Stars and Bars" Confederate battle flag was designed to stand-out clearly in the midst of a smoke filled battlefield!! In-fact it wasn't until well after the Civil War during the 1870's that the Klu-Klux-Klan which was co-founded by General Nathan Bedford Forrest purely as A SOUTHERN FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION, that the group eventually high-jacked the Virginia state battle flag and made it their symbol which then morphed over-time into the truly violent and hate-filled racist organization that we know today as depicted in the monumental film--"Birth Of A Nation."--THE SYMBOLISM OR MEANING BEHIND THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IN THE EYES OF MOST SOUTHERNERS DURING THE TIME OF THE CIVIL WAR CLEARLY HAD LESS TO DO WITH RACIST SENTIMENT OR ATTITUDES AND MUCH MORE TO DO WITH THEIR PRIDE AND DEFIANCE AGAINST A NORTHERN INVADER IN THE CONTEXT OF STATES RIGHTS!!—IN-FACT THE VAST MAJORITY OF SOUTHERNERS DID--NOT--OWN--SLAVES!!--Today most southerners fly the Confederate flag simply to show southern pride and to honor their ancestors who fought valiantly during the Civil War!!!!"

My response to this was that people aren't interested in facts unless of course they are distorted to meet their interests.

Why do people keep saying this. What's the logic behind it?

And anyone who says that the KKK was founded as some "fare they well" social is an idiot.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I can hear the groans of disappointment coming all the way from the left coast.

I hate it when the facts get in the way of the narrative and the agenda. It won't slow it down, though.

It looks like most of them weren't even the church that was on fire.

Meh. Storm clouds are historically racist.

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/616744593137225728

 

[copperhead-1911]

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Why do people keep saying this. What's the logic behind it?

And anyone who says that the KKK was founded as some "fare they well" social is an idiot.

Actually the kkk was founded like a fraternity initially. No doubt though it was ( within months) a terrorist organization, but more of their victims where the trouble making white yankees.

 

[Cygnus]

In all of this talk about the flag we sometimes forget that lives were lost in that war...Some of those lives were Southern...I love this letter General Lee wrote to the mother of a slain soldier...It brings tears to my eyes.....

Lest we forget....

[video=youtube;kaKX1lRAjBU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaKX1lRAjBU[/video]

I couldn't rep you for general cartman. BUT I will take a shot of 100 proof s'mores schapps in your honor!

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Confederate Flags Removed From Fort Sumter: Site Where Civil War Began

 

[rhino]

Confederate Flags Removed From Fort Sumter: Site Where Civil War Began

Nothing happened here . . . move along . . . nothing to see . . . return to your homes.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

this should fix it

 

[copperhead-1911]

Confederate Flags Removed From Fort Sumter: Site Where Civil War Began

Keep poking the hornets nest. Maybe they are just trying to agitate until decent, christian people have had too much and cant take anymore and decide to start giving agitators a "southern welcome" they wont soon forget.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Keep poking the hornets nest. Maybe they are just trying to agitate until decent, christian people have had too much and cant take anymore and decide to start giving agitators a "southern welcome" they wont soon forget.

I think you mean wet sponge. Conservatives, have pretty much run up the white flag. It's kinda sad, because I don't want a liberal takeover, and think there should be some parity between the two.

 

[Hawkeye]

I blame it all on the Dutch.

 

[indyrun]

It's just the next distraction to keep the masses occupied while they give Iran nukes, or ? Trying to keep us occupied while they fry bigger fish, which usually means lost liberties and/or higher taxes/costs to us.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

It's just the next distraction to keep the masses occupied while they give Iran nukes, or ? Trying to keep us occupied while they fry bigger fish, which usually means lost liberties and/or higher taxes/costs to us.

Also known as "Hey Look, a Squirrel!!!!!!!"

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Also known as "Hey Look, a Squirrel!!!!!!!"

 

[Hkindiana]

 

[copperhead-1911]

I think you mean wet sponge. Conservatives, have pretty much run up the white flag. It's kinda sad, because I don't want a liberal takeover, and think there should be some parity between the two.

Not all conservatives. Could be said many are just biding ( spelling their time).

Liberals are pretty smart though. Think of how they have taken every group our founders might dare say were less than desirable and have taken all those small groups from welfare mamas to anchor babies and combined them without regard to what its doing to the country.

Hell as liberal as the schools have gotten i think or military will be to hell in about 20-40 years with all the wussification and reality is china or russia are not doing the same wussification we are pandering to minorities of their populations for votes. I think either nation could take us what the generation in their 30-40s now ( probably the last with much conservativism) is gone.

 

[greg]

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Why are we still talking about this.

Notable Mississippians join chorus to change state flag

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Jimmy Buffet, John Grisham, Morgan Freeman and former New Orleans Saints quarterback Archie Manning are among famous current and former Mississippi residents asking the state to remove the Confederate battle emblem from its flag.

 

[jamil]

Why are we still talking about this.

Notable Mississippians join chorus to change state flag

It still makes people feel all warm and gooey and morally superior inside.

Seriously though, if it flies at the state house, it should probably represent its constituents. If it flies in your front yard, everyone else should stop giving a ****.