The CNN Democrat Debate Thread

[JTScribe]

Mediocre intellectual reasoning can result in such logic gaps.

It does not follow that democrats and guns are mutually exclusive.

It does based on the positions of the ones running for the White House.

 

[spec4]

Just sat though the Dem debate. Webb is a gentleman and I respect him but would not vote for him because of his beliefs. Sanders is what you see is what you get, sad he wasn't born 80 years ago in the USSR, he'd have loved it. Clinton, as always a phony BS artist who, IMO, should be in jail. McNalley, a phony disaster. Chafee, a decent guy buy would be very bad news as POTUS.

The crowd , well I almost feel sorry for them.

 

[Alpo]

If the current president is unsuccessful in modifying the gun laws, it would seem reasonable to assume that the next president will not do so.

President Ronald Reagan will forever be remembered fondly by Second Amendment supporters, many of who are among the American conservatives who consider Reagan a poster child of modern conservatism. But words and actions of Reagan, the 40thPresident of the United States, left behind a mixed record on gun rights.His presidential administration did not bring about any new gun control laws of significance.
However, in his post-presidency, Reagan cast his support to a pair of critical gun control measures in the 1990s: 1993’s Brady Bill and 1994’s Assault Weapons Ban.

 

[Alpo]

double tap

 

[MisterChester]

How about a big ol' taste of ETHICS?

Wow. The media is severely overestimating Clinton's performance. Maybe we should start an INGO poll, have no one vote for Hillary, wait for check from the Hillary campaign, and declare her the winner.

 

[actaeon277]

Best synopsis of the debate yet.



Libertarian Girl18 hrs ·
I will take more stuff from people and give it to other people then call it free + ban more stuff. The End. ‪#‎DemDebate‬

 

[MisterChester]

If the current president is unsuccessful in modifying the gun laws, it would seem reasonable to assume that the next president will not do so.

I can't help but laugh whenever someone praises Reagan on this site when he was pretty anti-gun.

 

[Alpo]

I can't help but laugh whenever someone praises Reagan on this site when he was pretty anti-gun.

Well, some people are too young to remember him.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

If the current president is unsuccessful in modifying the gun laws, it would seem reasonable to assume that the next president will not do so.

This seems like mediocre intellectual reasoning...you know where that can lead.

 

[Alpo]

To joining the Tea Party?

A law change would require a substantial acquiesence by the GOP members of Congress and loss of control of both houses. If you assume that is going to happen, then you may be correct.

 

[bwframe]

At least they make it clear that they are siding with the enemy.

 

[JTScribe]

To joining the Tea Party?

A law change would require a substantial acquiesence by the GOP members of Congress and loss of control of both houses. If you assume that is going to happen, then you may be correct.

One would presume that if a Democrat wins the 2016 election they carry in some number of new Senators and Representatives along with them. Depending on the GOP candidate, turnout may be low and impact down-ticket races.

24 Republican Senate seats are up for grabs as compared to 10 for the Democrats. It's a safe bet that some of those are going to flip just out of sheer mathematical probability.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Jim Webb would be among the very few presidents to have killed a man before taking office.

Edit: Apparently not few.

 

[Alpo]

One would presume that if a Democrat wins the 2016 election they carry in some number of new Senators and Representatives along with them. Depending on the GOP candidate, turnout may be low and impact down-ticket races.

24 Republican Senate seats are up for grabs as compared to 10 for the Democrats. It's a safe bet that some of those are going to flip just out of sheer mathematical probability.

A lot may come down to who the next Speaker is, how well the government avoids a shutdown through the remainder of this year and whether Congress is able to do anything substantive prior to the elections. I don't look for control changing, but that is primarily in the hands of the do-nothing Congress.

 

[Denny347]

Mediocre intellectual reasoning can result in such logic gaps.

It does not follow that democrats and guns are mutually exclusive.

It does based on the positions of the ones running for the White House.

Indeed, the Liberal Gun Club is an example of such.

 

[actaeon277]

Jim Webb would be among the very few presidents to have killed a man before taking office.

Love your tumblr and reading back through your... | Dead Presidents
Here are the Presidents that we are certain have killed somebody on their own:
•George Washington: As a Major in the Colonial British Army in 1754, Washington killed a French officer who supposedly was leading a spying expedition and thus launched the French and Indian War.
•Andrew Jackson: Jackson killed at least one person in a duel, and is alleged to have killed more; he also faced combat during his military years
•Grover Cleveland: As the Sheriff/hangman in Buffalo, as mentioned above.
•Theodore Roosevelt: When TR and his Rough Riders stormed Kettle Hill in Cuba during the Spanish-American War, TR shot and killed a Spanish soldier in heavy combat; he was proud of it, too, writing to Henry Cabot Lodge, “Did I tell you that I killed a Spaniard with my own hand?”.
•George H. W. Bush: Okay, I’m not certain, but let’s think about this. Bush was assigned to a torpedo bomber squadron in the Pacific during World War II. He flew 58 combat missions and logged 1,228 hours of flight time during 39 months of service in places like Wake Island, Guam, and Saipan. Bush saw vicious combat and was shot down and nearly killed by antiaircraft fire in 1944. Bush almost certainly killed Japanese sailors on his dozens of combat missions.
Now these are the Presidents who were in heavy military combat and saw action in which it was entirely possible, if not very probable that they killed someone by their own hand:
•James Monroe (Monroe fought bravely in intense fighting during the Revolutionary War)
•William Henry Harrison (Harrison spent most of his military career as an officer, but faced direct combat as a young soldier in the Indian Wars of the Northwest Territory)
•Zachary Taylor (Was mostly an officer, but served in the War of 1812, the Black Hawk War, the Second Seminole War, the Mexican War)
•Franklin Pierce (Pierce faced heavy combat in Mexico during the Mexican War)
•Ulysses S. Grant (Grant reluctantly, but valiantly fought in major engagements of the Mexican War; in the Civil War, Grant was involved in and commanded some of the bloodiest battles in the history of human warfare)
•Rutherford B. Hayes (In the Civil War, Hayes served in over 50 battles and was wounded numerous times and had his horse shot out from under him on four occasions; I’m pretty positive that Hayes took out a few Rebels)
•James Garfield (Garfield was involved in heavy combat during the Civil War, as well)
•Benjamin Harrison (Another Ohio-born President who served bravely in the Civil War)
•William McKinley (McKinley served under Hayes during the Civil War and saw some combat)
•Harry Truman (Truman? Yes, Truman actually saw some heavy combat against the Germans in France in World War I. Truman commanded a battery of artillery and personally fired one of the last shots of the war.)
•John F. Kennedy (JFK commanded a PT boat during World War II and was awarded a Purple Heart for bravery after his boat was rammed by a Japanese destroyer and Kennedy rescued one of his injured crewman)
•Gerald Ford (Ford was a gunnery officer on the USS Monterey during World War II and earned 10 battle stars)

 

[17 squirrel]

Jim Webb would be among the very few presidents to have killed a man before taking office.

Edit: Apparently not few.

About 15 or so if I remember correctly.

 

[Alpo]

Indeed, the Liberal Gun Club is an example of such.

You forgot The Pink Pistols.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) are more likely than Democrats (including Democratic leaners) to say they have a gun in their household: 55% to 40%. While sizable, this partisan gap is narrower than that seen in recent years, as Democrats' self-reported gun ownership spiked to 40% this year.

 

[printcraft]

Mediocre intellectual reasoning can result in such logic gaps.

It does not follow that democrats and guns are mutually exclusive.

Electing demoncrats who want to exclude guns from America seems like flawed logic.
When that evil 2nd is eventually removed from the Constitution the other rights will follow along shortly.

 

[Alpo]

Two of these guys were Republicans:

n May 1994, former presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, wrote to the U.S. House of Representatives in support of banning "semi-automatic assault guns." They cited a 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll that found 77 percent of Americans supported a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of such weapons.[SUP][7][/SUP]

And then there was this:

Reagan's administration passed more restrictive gun laws than any other administration (including the dubiously-named "Firearm Protection Act of 1986 which banned citizens owning automatic weapons without special permission). And the "Clinton ban" was actually named after Ronald Reagan's press secretary after James Brady was shot by a nutjob.

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."

It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.