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    BugI02

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    Dddrees said:
    Here again this is why I like Kasich. In his interview with Jake Tapper he said what we need to do is stop looking backward, we need to stop looking forward. He said we need to start bringing the country together. But then again he also agrees with my thinking that there is no comparison when it comes to WS and NEO Nazis and any of these other groups,

    Kaisich has been sayin a good number of things I agree with. But then again he's also about [STRIKE]bridge building and not tearing things down.[/STRIKE] [finding another public teat because he's term limited as governor]
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    While lost in fake news, riots and race baiting, somehow the fact that our commander and chief backed down a tyrant got ignored.

    It's nice to have a foreign relations win. Do we remember what that is like?

    Even without a Cuban Missile Crisis type of victory accolade, one would think there would be some coverage?
    Guess it's more important to know that we are all racists? :dunno:

    Trump praises North Korea's 'wise' decision to back off Guam missile threat - ABC News
     
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    bwframe said:
    While lost in fake news, riots and race baiting, somehow the fact that our commander and chief backed down a tyrant got ignored.

    It's nice to have a foreign relations win. Do we remember what that is like?

    Even without a Cuban Missile Crisis type of victory accolade, one would think there would be some coverage?
    Guess it's more important to know that we are all racists? :dunno:

    Trump praises North Korea's 'wise' decision to back off Guam missile threat - ABC News
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    Its a good thing.

    But remember what we would like to happen and that is that it will never happen. I encourage you to hold Trump's feet to the fire like you wish Obama would have.
     
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    bwframe said:
    While lost in fake news, riots and race baiting, somehow the fact that our commander and chief backed down a tyrant got ignored.

    It's nice to have a foreign relations win. Do we remember what that is like?

    Even without a Cuban Missile Crisis type of victory accolade, one would think there would be some coverage?
    Guess it's more important to know that we are all racists? :dunno:

    Trump praises North Korea's 'wise' decision to back off Guam missile threat - ABC News
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    Well, to be truthful, Little-Kim has "held off" till he sees if we back off the upcoming exercises.
     
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    This is distasteful, but the facts bear airing.

    Trump has taken fire for tweeting the FALSE story that General Pershing crushed muslim fanatics in the Phillipines by executing 49 of 50 terrorists with bullets dipped in pig's blood. There is no evidence that this ever took place, nor that General Pershing ever ordered such a thing.

    However, the essence of the story, that during Pershing's time as commander and governor(and also prior to his command) in the Philippines that "tainting" dead muslim rebels with swine WAS used to crush the rebellion. NOT by executing prisoners with pig's blood bullets, but by burying those who attacked and/or killed Americans in a common grave WITH pig carcasses. And, for the Juramentado, religious fanatic swordsmen, were specially treated to beheading with the head sewed inside a pig carcass and buried.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juramentado#Response_to_the_threat

    In 1983, the American journalist Daniel P. Mannix released an edited version of the autobiography of his father, Rear Admiral Daniel P Mannix the 3rd.[29] The book, called The Old Navy: The Glorious Heritage of the U.S. Navy, Recounted through the Journals of an American Patriot, included the following paragraph:


    What finally stopped the Juramentados was the custom of wrapping the dead man in a pig's skin and stuffing his mouth with pork. As the pig was an unclean animal, this was considered an unspeakable defilement.
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    Vic Hurley, an American author who was a member of the Philippine Constabulary, wrote the book Jungle Patrol in 1938, arguing that Colonel Alexander Rodgers of the 6th Cavalry Regiment (brother of Thomas S. Rodgers) had implemented the strategy of mass graves and pig entrails:[30][31]


    It was Colonel Alexander Rodgers of the 6th Cavalry who accomplished by taking advantage of religious prejudice what the bayonets and Krags had been unable to accomplish. Rodgers inaugurated a system of burying all dead juramentados in a common grave with the carcasses of slaughtered pigs. The Mohammedan religion forbids contact with pork; and this relatively simple device resulted in the withdrawal of juramentados to sections not containing a Rodgers. Other officers took up the principle, adding new refinements to make it additionally unattractive to the Moros. In some sections the Moro juramentado was beheaded after death and the head sewn inside the carcass of a pig. And so the rite of running juramentado, at least semi-religious in character, ceased to be in Sulu.
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    While it is not the EXACT method attributed to Pershing in the "false" version of the story, and it was not inniated by Pershing, there is ample evidence in Pershing's memoirs and letters that he allowed the practices described to continue under his command.

    Yet John Pershing did not say that he had ordered the practice, but that « the army had already adopted » the practice, and that « it was not pleasant », as he states quite clearly in his Memoir [36] :

    « These juramentado attacks were materially reduced in number by a practice the army had already adopted, one that Muhhamadans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to have to take such measures, but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins. »[36]
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    In the 2013 publishing of his Memoir, a footnote cites a letter from Maj. Gen. J. Franklin Bell to J. Pershing:


    « Of course there is nothing to be done, but I understand it has long been a custom to bury (insurgents) with pigs when they kill Americans. I think this a good plan, for if anything will discourage the (insurgents) it is the prospect of going to hell instead of to heaven. You can rely on me to stand by you in maintaining this custom. It is the only possible thing we can do to discourage crazy fanatics. »[36]
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    So, judge for yourselves... I would say the "essence" of the tactic is well supported, historically and any supposed "fact checking source" that says the story is fabricated or totally unsupported without mentioning the above, well then that would be an "alternate fact" checker, and totally unreliable.
     
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    SheepDog4Life said:
    This is distasteful, but the facts bear airing.

    Trump has taken fire for tweeting the FALSE story that General Pershing crushed muslim fanatics in the Phillipines by executing 49 of 50 terrorists with bullets dipped in pig's blood. There is no evidence that this ever took place, nor that General Pershing ever ordered such a thing.

    However, the essence of the story, that during Pershing's time as commander and governor(and also prior to his command) in the Philippines that "tainting" dead muslim rebels with swine WAS used to crush the rebellion. NOT by executing prisoners with pig's blood bullets, but by burying those who attacked and/or killed Americans in a common grave WITH pig carcasses. And, for the Juramentado, religious fanatic swordsmen, were specially treated to beheading with the head sewed inside a pig carcass and buried.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juramentado#Response_to_the_threat





    While it is not the EXACT method attributed to Pershing in the "false" version of the story, and it was not inniated by Pershing, there is ample evidence in Pershing's memoirs and letters that he allowed the practices described to continue under his command.



    and



    So, judge for yourselves... I would say the "essence" of the tactic is well supported, historically and any supposed "fact checking source" that says the story is fabricated or totally unsupported without mentioning the above, well then that would be an "alternate fact" checker, and totally unreliable.
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    He often brings up obscure conterversal cr** that really serve no purpose. Why even go there?
     
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