Hoosierdood
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Even amendments to the US Constitution only need a 75% vote. This is nothing new.I doubt member approval requires 100% agreement
Even amendments to the US Constitution only need a 75% vote. This is nothing new.I doubt member approval requires 100% agreement
In my suburb, it is prohibited by legislative action at the town level, not allowed anywhere. It is a fraught position legally because you are restricting an owners use of his property. It is usually underpinned by zoning language. In my town, everything outside of distinct commercial strips along arterials is zoned residential single family housing and that sort of business entity is considered commercial use of the property. There is a carve out for traditional (one year lease) rental of a property because that was necessary to get sufficient people to support the restrictions and does not have as deleterious an effect on neighborhood character, especially given what a property rents for in our town. In all, last time I knew the current figures, less than 1/2 of one per percent of residential properties were available as rentalsAren't there already regulations and recourse for thing of that nature though?
In reality it's very difficult to change anything within an HOA. For ours at least you need a certain number of members to show up even to have a meeting and after that you need upwards of 80% of the membership to agree to a change in the covenants. This in effect guarantees not much will get changed no matter how many Karen's get on the board.I doubt member approval requires 100% agreement
Where I live, I too would have to get approval for a fencing project from my neighbors, but only the contiguous onesA friend of mine bought a house in downtown Indy in the early 80’s back when no one wanted to live there. most of the houses around him were drug houses or burnt out homes. He fixed his up and over the years it started being a desirable neighborhood to to live in. Next came the historic society with there rules. A couple of months ago he wanted to replace his wooden picket fence with the same height wrought iron fence. Before he could do it he had to pay $400 bucks for a application and send a letter to all of his neighbors (about 300 of them) with details of what he wanted to do and ask for permission to put up a fence.
No thanks, I will live where I don’t have to beg to do anything on my property.
Since most newer neighborhoods have homes twenty feet apart I like to have agreement as to how we will live. An agreement that we will mow our grass, not park boats and RV’s permanently, raise livestock, or many others. When one has $250,000 to $500,000 invested the knowledge that a neighbor cannot paint their house pink is comforting to me.
You guys are welcome to do you.
That means that rules can be changed after someone agrees to be part of a HOA. That isn't what was being insinuated.Even amendments to the US Constitution only need a 75% vote. This is nothing new.
If it is in the covenants when one buys or is legally changed then that is what was agreed…
It is an agreement to let an HOA board tell you what you can do.It appears you do not understand the contract that is an HOA. Agreement of how we will live is not telling anyone anything, it is an agreement as to how we will live. There is a difference.
The difference between my thinking and most of INGO is I believe this is an agreement and INGO believes someone is telling them what to do, even though they agreed to do it if they have an HOA. I also believe most of the negative comments do not even live in an HOA. LOL
The death from a thousand cuts from overzealous little Napoleons is often worse than the rando situations like this.
I can rattle off a half dozen petty complaints against the HOAs just from my AO.
A preview includes:
"You didnt ask to put a raised bed between your sidewalk and house. Rip it out, submit professional elevations and we will consider your request." (She told them to pound sand because its just 2 landscape timbers tall and a trunkload of soil. they relented after a scolding)
"you didnt paint that new mailbox post using Sherwin Williams #2345 beige" (homeowner used the equivalent color from his neighbor accounting for fade to make it match perfectly)
"you didnt purchase the replacement mailbox and have it replaced by our vendor. Rip it out and contact Bob at..." (it was the exact same post style and box type/size. "Bob" is the friends with the board and they knew he didnt do the job )
All of these included threats of fines if not done.
Ok, so don't compare to government.Every HOA is different, but in most the board cannot randomly change the bylaws. In our HOA, any change to the bylaws must be announced and voted on by the members of the HOA. The board approves measures, legal documents, approves spending within the budget, etc.
Yes and no. It is an agreement to abide by the bylaws of the HOA. In some, the board has broad discretion to enforce the bylaws. More commonly, the board is limited by the agreement.It is an agreement to let an HOA board tell you what you can do.
Go back and read what I wrote. That’s not what I said.Ok, so don't compare to government.
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This only matters if you are a seller. Are your intentions to live there and raise a family, or are you a property profiteer? I have a hundred reasons that are more important in my home buying choices than what I can sell the house at later.We find that houses in HOAs have prices that are on average at least 4%, or $13,500, greater than observably similar houses outside of HOAs.
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Shadow, they are coming for your peace now that wuwho flu taught them they can work anywhere and your solace is about to end…When you choose to live on top of each other, you take your chances. Rural living tends to not have these problems. Live is about choices.
Their homes are the largest form of savings for most people for retirement or to pass on to their children…This only matters if you are a seller. Are your intentions to live there and raise a family, or are you a property profiteer? I have a hundred reasons that are more important in my home buying choices than what I can sell the house at later.
I’m rural enough that if I chose to move, I can be in a place without the type of internet access those you describe would need to work from home. I can drive less that 10 miles from my home and have no cell or any type of internet other than satellite.Shadow, they are coming for your peace now that wuwho flu taught them they can work anywhere and your solace is about to end…
No, I wouldn’t classify them as dictatorships, but they do serve as a governing body with certain powers granted to them in the HOA agreement. I’m in the camp that says I would rather not live in such a neighborhood. Over the years I have lived in neighborhoods with HOAs, I’ve served on the board of an HOA. You’d be hard pressed to convince some of these people that it’s not a dictatorship.HOA’s are a choice. Stop comparing them to dictatorships and gov overreach.
You can choose to live under a HOA, or not. Nobody is forcing you, like they would under a dictatorship.
My wife and I bought a townhouse condo several years ago. There was a HOA for the community. We looked it over before we signed papers and decided we could live with it. It was a contract that I entered into willingly. I also decided to be involved, so that the HOA wasn’t overrun by Karen’s and I joined the HOA board.
I’m not a big fan of HOA’s, but I do see some benefit in certain settings. Probably when I buy my next house, I will look for something where the neighbors aren’t so close, and there isn’t a HOA. But again, that will be my choice. Nobody is forcing anyone to join a HOA.