Hoosierdood
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Even amendments to the US Constitution only need a 75% vote. This is nothing new.
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Tell Me Again How Awful HOA’s Are?
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In my suburb, it is prohibited by legislative action at the town level, not allowed anywhere. It is a fraught position legally because you are restricting an owners use of his property. It is usually underpinned by zoning language. In my town, everything outside of distinct commercial strips along arterials is zoned residential single family housing and that sort of business entity is considered commercial use of the property. There is a carve out for traditional (one year lease) rental of a property because that was necessary to get sufficient people to support the restrictions and does not have as deleterious an effect on neighborhood character, especially given what a property rents for in our town. In all, last time I knew the current figures, less than 1/2 of one per percent of residential properties were available as rentals
In reality it's very difficult to change anything within an HOA. For ours at least you need a certain number of members to show up even to have a meeting and after that you need upwards of 80% of the membership to agree to a change in the covenants. This in effect guarantees not much will get changed no matter how many Karen's get on the board.
Where I live, I too would have to get approval for a fencing project from my neighbors, but only the contiguous ones
What I gain in exchange for this is other regulations to smooth the rough edges off interactions between neighbors - specifically such things as the noise standard being if I think something is too loud, it is (no 'above 60 decibels within 50 feet of the residence for a period greater than 30 minutes' bull****) as well as my neighbor can install 'dramatic lighting' for his house if he desires but no more than 5 lumens can fall on my property. It might sound similar to an HOA but in practice, since it is administered by city town officials, it is far less petty and driven more by common sense. If I was to complain about someone having a sound system playing at a low level on their patio or perhaps having too many Christmas lights, a code enforcement official would take the complaint, research the situation and almost certainly nothing would come of it. A 'reasonable person' standard applies
That means that rules can be changed after someone agrees to be part of a HOA. That isn't what was being insinuated.
Sounds like my aunt's place. put up a railing around her porch. they threw a caniption fit about it saying it was built wrong, not to code, not approved, etc (it was perfectly fine). They were upset because she didn't use the head administrator's buddy. She didn't use him because she talked to neighbors and found he did a porch across the way which was very much not built right. She spent a while running HOAs and does legal stuff at a bank so she knows how to read a contract and her HOA is basically toothless aside from harassment.
Jaybird1980
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Ok, so don't compare to government.
Let's see. There is a group of people in charge, laws, voting, legal documents, taxes, budgets, enforcement and punishments.
I don't know sure sounds a lot like governing.
We find that houses in HOAs have prices that are on average at least 4%, or $13,500, greater than observably similar houses outside of HOAs.
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The rise and effects of homeowners associations
In the U.S., nearly 60% of recently built single-family houses, and 80% of houses in new subdivisions, are part of a homeowners association (HOA). We …
Hoosierdood
Grandmaster
Yes and no. It is an agreement to abide by the bylaws of the HOA. In some, the board has broad discretion to enforce the bylaws. More commonly, the board is limited by the agreement.
Either way, the agreement was entered into willingly by both parties. I recommend to anyone wishing to buy a home in a HOA to research these details prior to entering the agreement.
Hoosierdood
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Go back and read what I wrote. That’s not what I said.
This only matters if you are a seller. Are your intentions to live there and raise a family, or are you a property profiteer? I have a hundred reasons that are more important in my home buying choices than what I can sell the house at later.We find that houses in HOAs have prices that are on average at least 4%, or $13,500, greater than observably similar houses outside of HOAs.
The rise and effects of homeowners associations
In the U.S., nearly 60% of recently built single-family houses, and 80% of houses in new subdivisions, are part of a homeowners association (HOA). We …
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I’m rural enough that if I chose to move, I can be in a place without the type of internet access those you describe would need to work from home. I can drive less that 10 miles from my home and have no cell or any type of internet other than satellite.
Along the same lines; I wouldn't purchase a historical property, for these exact reasons.
Most historical properties are governed. There are strict regulations on everything associated with the property, and
everything requires going through a committee for approval. Maybe this is different depending on location, but my in-laws
had to deal with this on an inherited property. They unloaded said property, very quickly.
Most historical properties are governed. There are strict regulations on everything associated with the property, and
everything requires going through a committee for approval. Maybe this is different depending on location, but my in-laws
had to deal with this on an inherited property. They unloaded said property, very quickly.
No, I wouldn’t classify them as dictatorships, but they do serve as a governing body with certain powers granted to them in the HOA agreement. I’m in the camp that says I would rather not live in such a neighborhood. Over the years I have lived in neighborhoods with HOAs, I’ve served on the board of an HOA. You’d be hard pressed to convince some of these people that it’s not a dictatorship.
While there is a choice whether you do or don’t, any new neighborhood is under tremendous pressure to have an HOA. If you want to live that suburban life you don’t have a choice other than to do your homework to know what the bylaws are and how easy it is for the board to create ridiculous rules.
If the proportion of Karens in the neighborhood is a majority and they’re representation on the board is the same, yer gettin’ nonsense like the garage door open rule. And there’s not a whole lot you can do about it. Also, with social media like nextdoor, those bitches will shame neighbors into supporting all kinds of stupid rules.
When I was on an HOA board, they could change the bylaws fairly easy. Changing bylaws required signatures. So the karens—most of the board was Karens—would canvass the neighborhood to get the required signatures to do whatever they wanted. I only lived in that neighborhood for 5 years.
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