Target's New Rules

[Viper1973]

I just wish one of these corporate entities would tell the 'Moms' to @#$% off. They'd earn way more respect than this cowering they all seem to do now.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I think it is less MDA and more corporate risk assessment lawyers. The MDA group is just taking advantage of the fact that our society love to file lawsuits, even in cases where no laws are broken. There are a number of cases where criminal procedings have found a person innocent of wrong doing, but the follow up civil suit has resulted in some sort of punitive action.

It is nothing more than extortion at the basic level. Hanging the threats of civil lititgation over the heads of just about everyone with a few 00's ahead of the decimal point in their bank account means most folks try to be pretty risk adverse. Now add to that a fortune 500 company with associated deep pockets, and you realize realy quickly that they are an easy target for a wrongful death, willful negligence, or other type of lawsuit if someone is shot in one of their facilities.

We all know that legally these locations can't prohibit firearms, but can ask us to leave and we can be charged with tresspassing if we refuse. That little loophole gives them plausible deniablility if they were to be named in a civil suit. They can claim that the person with the firearm willfully violated policy and that the indivudal is culpable, not the owner of the property.

I'm sure Kirk or some of the other resident legal experts can chime in and comment just to the level that a "No firearms" sign or policy protects a company from civil suit.


If we flip it around another way, lets assume Wal-Mart places a big sign out front saying "gun owners welcome" and some idiot coon-fingers his gun and shoots someone. The victim (I use the term loosely) could claim that Wal-Mart's policy put them in danger and that they were therefore liable for damages. No different from a person spilling hot coffee on their lap, etc. Maybe the judge will throw it out as frivolous, and maybe not.

You make some good points here and really can't argue with any of it. But would policy change have even been made if political pressure hadn't been brought on? I'm not so sure.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I just wish one of these corporate entities would tell the 'Moms' to @#$% off. They'd earn way more respect than this cowering they all seem to do now.

They would among most of INGO. But I'd wager many/most of the people that are not gun nuts don't care and don't understand why you think you need to bring a gun into a store where children are.

 

[brotherbill3]

DID any of you read that they said specifically they are still following state laws? ... UGH and that they don't want in this mess ... same as all the other ...

same as ANY retailer ...

and OCT hasn't OC'd there in like 6 months. ... and they've changed their (OCT's) policy on OC to be more consistent w/ the goals? ...

 

[cbhausen]

Looks like I'll be OCing in Target soon... But I won't be buying anything, just "browsing". My new Sig P320 is a big, scary-looking pistol.

 

[Streck-Fu]

Meijer is just as bad, but I think I will start shopping there. How long until you MDA try to go after Wal-Mart and Meijer.

Guess meijer is my new place to go as well.

I open carry there often without so much as question....

 

[88GT]

How is Meijer "just as bad?"

 

[hoosierdoc]

I just spoke to target manager on the phone. He said I am free to legally carrying in stores and they will not escort me out. It's no different than Them asking customers to wear red. Go to target, open Cary, and let's win this thing.

 

[squidvt]

How is Meijer "just as bad?"

I used to work there. I was treated better when I worked at Wal-Mart then I did at Meijer. Also their prices are a little higher then Target.

 

[silverspoon]

I just spoke to target manager on the phone. He said I am free to legally carrying in stores and they will not escort me out. It's no different than Them asking customers to wear red. Go to target, open Cary, and let's win this thing.

You do realize that there is no "win" in this. Only lose, lose worse and yet even worse lose looking badly??

 

[squidvt]

You do realize that there is no "win" in this. Only lose, lose worse and yet even worse lose looking badly??

For target in a situation like this with Bloomberg and MDA's publicity machine there is no win for them. They are trying very hard to hold on to both sides of the fence. They didn't ban guns, but they gave enough of a statment that will let MDA and Everytown For Mass Shooting claim a victory.

Most of the tatics they MDA and Everytown use are very similar to the methods PETA used back in the 80's and 90's. It works unfortunately.

 

[jgreiner]

Looks like I am done shopping at Target. But then, what else can we expect from a FRENCH company, other than surrender?

 

[cbhausen]

I think it's ironic the store is named "Target" with a logo to match. If they didn't support auto racing I'd boycott them entirely. As it is, I'll buy something occasionally but only when I can't find it elsewhere.

What about printing a few of these up and taking them to the range?

 

[LP1]

I just wish one of these corporate entities would tell the 'Moms' to @#$% off. They'd earn way more respect than this cowering they all seem to do now.

I'll bet that "moms" make up more of Target's customer base than INGOers. That's fine with me.

"starting today we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law."Target Addresses Firearms in Stores | A Bullseye View

And I will respectfully decline their request.

I wish I could avoid all of the big box stores, but it's just about impossible.

 

[buckstopshere]

Meijer is just as bad, but I think I will start shopping there. How long until you MDA try to go after Wal-Mart and Meijer.

I've only had a few OC incidents and one was at Meijer in greenwood on 135. On my way out, an older lady who works as a greeter asked me if that was a gun on my hip. I confirmed her suspicions and she thanked me for carrying. Told me her husband carried every day until he passed.

Admittedly, I don't shop there often. We do shop at Target and I've never had a problem there. I guess I'll find out soon enough. Fresh Tyme is getting more of my grocery dollars since it opened up but I'll still go to Target. If I'm asked to leave, I'll leave.

In the meantime, you can now OC in Kansas and the future Governor of Texas is ready to do the same for them. These "wins" for MDA are akin to participation trophies.

 

[chezuki]

Problem is...my local target (Kokomo) is located inside the mall. Granted it has it's own outside entrance, but I am still unsure if you can actually carry in there since the mall itself is a GFZ.

The mall likely has a policy against carrying, but it is NOT A GFZ. It's simply a DNOCOYWBATL zone.

 

[wabashman]

Now that is one long acronym. But you have a very good point.

 

[88E30M50]

All these "requests" are simply a placation measure. There is no force of law or even policy in them. It is simply a request. People are free to ignore it and go on about their business. I don't now why I'm still amazed at the foolishness of "I don't see it, it doesn't exist."

We've shopped at Target for years and I've never been in the store without a gun. In the past, I did not worry about being asked to leave if my shirt rode up over it, but that may very well happen now that the corporate folks have stated a displeasure for having guns in the store.

 

[chezuki]

My wife works for Meijer and they are always respectful of those who choose to carry, even OC'rs, hell even dumbass stuff-it-in-your-pants "mexican carry" folks can shop in peace.

Now, as soon as one of those BRYCO/Jennings POS's flops out and discharges, the whole deal will likely be ruined for all of us.

 

[1775usmarine]

Its the 10% that ruins it for the rest of us