Stop Insulting My Vote (a libertarian rant)

[Hotdoger]

I used to be a "vote for the lesser of two evil" republican until the douche bag McCain got nominated. I voted for Barr. There isn't a pennys worth of difference between McCain and Obama.

I disliked McCain too, but voted for him because of Palin. We needed her influence.
There is not way to affect government by voting for a unelectable third party canadiate.

 

[LPMan59]

I disliked McCain too, but voted for him because of Palin. We needed her influence.
There is not way to affect government by voting for a unelectable third party canadiate.

thats the thinking that keeps the same bums in office.

as for Palin, never in a million years would i vote for her. I honestly dont see the appeal. she was a(nother) reason to not vote for McCain for me.

 

[jimmy_ftwayne]

Paco, I'm going to borrow the purple here for a minute:

Since both the Republican and Libertarian parties are unelectable, we should just vote Democrat so we have a chance at winning.

 

[Hotdoger]

thats the thinking that keeps the same bums in office.

as for Palin, never in a million years would i vote for her. I honestly dont see the appeal. she was a(nother) reason to not vote for McCain for me.

If you want to use that arguement then,
voting for the libertarian canadites has put how many of them in national and state office? How many libertarian governors are there?
How many bums have you kept in office?

By voting and electing Republicans there is a chance to inflence policy.

Also with the coming amnesty bill libertarians are with McCain and Bam.

Call them and voice you support for the illegals. LOL



Sara Palin actions as governor are unmatched .

Palin anklebiters chose to ignore those facts.

 

[Hotdoger]

Paco, I'm going to borrow the purple here for a minute:

Since both the Republican and Libertarian parties are unelectable, we should just vote Democrat so we have a chance at winning.

So all the republicans that really won elections last fall don't exist?

 

[Paco Bedejo]

Paco, I'm going to borrow the purple here for a minute:

Since both the Republican and Libertarian parties are unelectable, we should just vote Democrat so we have a chance at winning.

OOH! Can I be on your winning team too!? Do we get jerseys?

 

[Paco Bedejo]

If you want to use that arguement then,
voting for the libertarian canadites has put how many of them in national and state office? How many libertarian governors are there?
How many bums have you kept in office?

By voting and electing Republicans there is a chance to inflence policy.

Also with the coming amnesty bill libertarians are with McCain and Bam.

Call them and voice you support for the illegals. LOL



Sara Palin actions as governor are unmatched .

Palin anklebiters chose to ignore those facts.

Hotdoger, please understand this: libertarian-minded folk don't view most Republican® candidates as being any better than Democratic® candidates.

We're not gonna vote for a Republican® just because they're a lighter-weight piece of crap than a Democrat®. Personally, I don't vote for crap.

Once enough of the cowed Republicans® get tired of eating the same crappy grass, there will be enough people voting as I do to get some REAL CHANGE in this nation. Until then, I'm stuck with the crappy grass y'all keep voting for.

Change won't happen by millions of votes going elsewhere all at once. It will be gradual. Mine has switched. Many others have. But we'll get more of the same until enough make the switch, individually.

The last several decades of our nation have been crap, overall. Just because you were only personally affected while D® were in power doesn't mean that it was any better for others while the R® were. Overall, the nation has suffered because of the simple fact that we only have two parties. Both R® & D® have led the charge to huge increases in our national debt. Both R® & D® have infringed upon my rights as a sovereign citizen of the USA. Both R® & D® are currently pushing a socialist agenda while attempting to enforce their morality.

No thanks. We need a 3rd party based upon the Constitution.

 

[Al B]

I have always considered myself and Independent with a strong lean toward the Libertarian party opinions. I would love to see a strong third party candidate come into power. Did you know that the Republican party was the "third party" when it came into power? Our present "2 party system" is a total bunch of BS. It is now a device of divide and conquer, and it is working. There is very little difference between the Rep and Dems when they actually achieve election. The REAL problem falls back on the Republican and Democrat parties who have re-written the election laws to BLOCK any other candidates which is another way of destroying the Constitution.
I read so many comments on these forums about "taking back" and "revolution" and "change for the better"....WELL just HOW IN THE HELL do you do this????? By electing people with better views(different "party") and who will actually DO SOMETHING about it!

Has anyone taken a look at any of the Libertarian websites? Here are a couple. The worlds smallest political quiz is rather interesting.
Libertarian Party | Smaller Government | Lower Taxes | More Freedom
Advocates for Self-Government - Libertarian Education
Some of the things I have read in these posts are not quite accurate.

I was amazed when the "news networks" started to push Mccain in the primaries. I knew he could not beat any of the Dem candidates. I just hoped the sheeple would not fall in line behind him. Oh well we know how that one turned out. I voted for Mccain in the election, that was my only option. I sure as hell was not voting for a Chicago thug with all his bizzare chronies.

We only have the political system or the strong option to change the political climate of our country. I choose the political system, and it must be changed. I don't even want to talk about the alternative.

 

[jimmy_ftwayne]

So all the republicans that really won elections last fall don't exist?

Until the Republicans stop supporting the Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, and other such big government ideas they are just as bad as the democrats and will not get my vote.

 

[techres]

Until the Republicans stop supporting the Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, and other such big government ideas they are just as bad as the democrats and will not get my vote.

 

[LPMan59]

If you want to use that arguement then,
voting for the libertarian canadites has put how many of them in national and state office? How many libertarian governors are there?
How many bums have you kept in office?

By voting and electing Republicans there is a chance to inflence policy.

Also with the coming amnesty bill libertarians are with McCain and Bam.

Call them and voice you support for the illegals. LOL



Sara Palin actions as governor are unmatched .

Palin anklebiters chose to ignore those facts.

i see your point, i used to think that way. but eventually i could not justify to myself that it was ok to vote for who i hated the least. If nothing else, the election showed how out of touch the GOP really is. they need to regroup quickly or become irrelevent.

as for palin, being the governor of alaska is hardly makes a president. it might make her more qualified than me, though. love her or hate her, i think she was another nail in McCain's coffin.

 

[printcraft]

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as for palin, being the governor of alaska is hardly makes a president. it might make her more qualified than me, though. love her or hate her, i think she was another nail in McCain's coffin.

McLame was dead long before. Colin Powel said he was the candidate the
Republicans needed and then he voted for obama.

Palin was gaining him votes. Hillary voters were going to her over obama.

Oh, did I mention that the Gov. of Alaska (Palin) had more experience than obama????

 

[LPMan59]

McLame was dead long before. Colin Powel said he was the candidate the
Republicans needed and then he voted for obama.

Palin was gaining him votes. Hillary voters were going to her over obama.

Oh, did I mention that the Gov. of Alaska (Palin) had more experience than obama????

you incorrectly assume that i am an obama supporter. does comparing palin to obama make you feel better?

as for the Hilary thing, do you have any proof of that? anecdotally speaking, the Hillary people i know were not one bit interested in Palin. They viewed her nomination for what it was- a shameless attempt to get women to vote red simply because she was a woman.

 

[Joe Williams]

OOH! Can I be on your winning team too!? Do we get jerseys?

Again, I am stunned at either the hypocrisy or the blindness to facts demonstrated by Libertarians.

But winning team equals holding the Presidency for 20 of the last 30 years, and also holding control of at least one house of Congress for a majority of the same time frame. Republicans are out of power now not because of anything the Dems did, or anything the microscopic minority of Libertarians did at the polls, but because conservatives chose to punish their own party for it's decision to turn it's back on them and pursue so called "moderates." When the party again remembers who it actually represents, we'll win again.

I don't think you can say the same, and frankly I doubt you ever will. In order to have a cohesive party capable of actually winning, you will have to establish rules, covenants, and a platform, and that goes against the "core beliefs" of a sizable chunk of your party. What MAY happen, though, is that some people will get fed up with the Rep Party's failures, some will get fed up with the anarchists and leftists that have hijacked the Libertarians, and a third party that is actually viable will be formed based on Constitutional beliefs. There is already a Constitution Party out there, but I don't see it being viable either.... unless a bunch of Repubicans and Libertarians defect to it and take some seats in the house.

 

[Fletch]

Again, I am stunned at either the hypocrisy or the blindness to facts demonstrated by Libertarians.

But winning team equals holding the Presidency for 20 of the last 30 years, and also holding control of at least one house of Congress for a majority of the same time frame. Republicans are out of power now not because of anything the Dems did, or anything the microscopic minority of Libertarians did at the polls, but because conservatives chose to punish their own party for it's decision to turn it's back on them and pursue so called "moderates."

How's that working out for ya?

 

[Joe Williams]

How's that working out for ya?

Better than it is for you. I can pick up pen and paper and write to conservative Republicans in power.

Let's see you pick up pen and paper and write to a Libertarian that actually matters.

 

[SavageEagle]

Wow. Lots of flame and fire and brimestone in this thread. I didn't have the time to read it all but I will say that to the OP: I agree with just about everything you said. Except open immigration.

That was a good idea when we were first starting out before we became a Country and settled the land.

We've now become the most powerful Nation in the world and settled the entire land. It's ok to immigrate to this Country. I"m all for that. But you MUST do it in the legal process. To open our borders to whomever whenever whyever is to invite our enemies to attack us in full force with no regard as to how or why and to overrun this Country with the world's criminals.

Why would you support such an idea?

This is why I cannot support the Libs.

I also can't support the R's or D's either. Obviously neither has our Country's founding principles at heart. They all show it everyday.

As a matter of fact, I haven't found ANY legitimate Party to belong to. Not one party has our complete Founding Principles in the best of their heart. Every one has got an underlying agenda and every single one has an image in which they see and wish to mold this Country.

That's not my idea getting back to the Rule of Law. Also known as The Republic. "...shall not be infringed." By anyone. Period. "We The People..." You, me, him, her, them, the Citizens of the United States of America. Not those who are NOT citizens, i.e. ILLEGAL ALIENS.

The Libertarian party has a great platform and all, but I just can't see past illegal immigration.

Like the title under my name, I'm a Free Man. I'm independent. I make choices upon educated guesses when it comes to politics. I research their past and if it's in line with my top 5 priorities, I vote for them. So far, I've only voted for abou 8 people in my entire life. This last POTUS election I did vote for McCain because I thought it would help to get the lesser of two evils into office.

What would you have rather had? Socialism this Country can overcome through Revolution, or Focus put back on those doing evil to American's and other innocent people? Do you REALLY think McCain would go for all these socialist programs and bills and nominate LIBERALS to SCOTUS? Looking back through his record I would have been willing to bet a big NO. Would he have made some mistakes? Most likely. Would he have helped enter us into Socialism, push the One World Government, and turn us into Socialists? NO. Did Ron Paul have a chance? Not this time.

That's why I voted McCain.

Will I vote for Ron Paul next go around? Yes.

I don't believe that if obamatard gets elected in 2012 this Country will stand for it. If we make it that far without a terrorist attack or complete economic meltdown.

 

[Phil502]

The Libertarian platform as you guys state, sounds good but I think a lot of it is a pipe dream. No way you cut all welfare and open the border it just is not going to happen. These welfare bums (no not all people on welfare are bums) would demolish the country, just no way.

 

[Paco Bedejo]

The Libertarian platform as you guys state, sounds good but I think a lot of it is a pipe dream. No way you cut all welfare and open the border it just is not going to happen. These welfare bums (no not all people on welfare are bums) would demolish the country, just no way.

Please provide references where any of us have stated that all of these changes would or should take place in 4, 8, or even 16 years. It took us smany generations to get to the detestable place we're at (Recent US AG against Habeus Corpus?). It would be naive to believe our goal is to change things back in a matter of a few months or few years.

Just because R® & D® want to make huge, sweeping changes every few months doesn't mean that the more sane among us think we need to be changing the thermostat every couple of minutes when we get hot or cold.

 

[SavageEagle]

Please provide references where any of us have stated that all of these changes would or should take place in 4, 8, or even 16 years. It took us smany generations to get to the detestable place we're at (Recent US AG against Habeus Corpus?). It would be naive to believe our goal is to change things back in a matter of a few months or few years.

Just because R® & D® want to make huge, sweeping changes every few months doesn't mean that the more sane among us think we need to be changing the thermostat every couple of minutes when we get hot or cold.

Why can this NOT be the case? Why can this NOT happen? It won't have much of an effect on the economy, healthcare, and it would better our day to day lives if it happened within 2-4 years. All it takes is for Congress and the POTUS to work as one and do the peoples' wishes and put us back on track.

WHY CAN THIS NOT HAPPEN????