Speeding in a school zone

[IndyDave1776]

In my day I have followed a few of the stop sign violators and gone full on churchmouse on them....cowards to the man.

I can't be too hard on them. I would imagine that encountering you in the ass beating frame of mind would bring out the cowardice in most people!

I once received a ticket in a school zone. . 67 in a 35. The issue I had with the ticket was it was the middle of July on a Saturday night about 200am. I believe the ticket was around $350.00 or $375.00. Did I deserve the ticket, yes I did. Did I deserve the extra cost of being in a school zone, I dont think so.

This is a fine example of government gone stupid. A law is enacted to address a particular problem issue which may or may not be needed or helpful, but 'it's for the children'. I would argue that aggravating circumstances could cover this nicely, and would be extremely difficult to apply to you at 02:00 on a weekend. The problem is that when handed a tool to deal with a specific problem, the government tends to promptly turn it into a club to use on anyone any time they can twist the circumstances into excusing its use.

 

[17 squirrel]

I once received a ticket in a school zone. . 67 in a 35. The issue I had with the ticket was it was the middle of July on a Saturday night about 200am. I believe the ticket was around $350.00 or $375.00. Did I deserve the ticket, yes I did. Did I deserve the extra cost of being in a school zone, I dont think so.

When I was a young man driving in Maryland it was a instant revocation of your drivers license for going 25 over the speed limit. The LEO took your license and if no one was with you that could legally drive your car it was impounded. Then you would get a letter in the mail to appear at the main MV branch ( if it was 150+ miles that was too bad ) for a short meeting to determine if and when you got your license back.
It's a shame its still not that way. 67 in a 35 is absurd. The ticket should have been 5 fold that.

 

[IndyDave1776]

When I was a young man driving in Maryland it was a instant revocation of your drivers license for going 25 over the speed limit. The LEO took your license and if no one was with you that could legally drive your car it was impounded. Then you would get a letter in the mail to appear at the main MV branch ( if it was 150+ miles that was too bad ) for a short meeting to determine if and when you got your license back.
It's a shame its still not that way. 67 in a 35 is absurd. The ticket should have been 5 fold that.

Maybe. 67 in a 55 that drops to 35 in the school zone isn't nearly so 'absurd' and is entirely possible. After all, who would imagine enforcing school zone standards at 02:00 on a weekend?

 

[rob63]

About a year ago I slowed down for a school zone and the guy behind me passed me on the right. There is no lane on the right, but he couldn't pass on the left because there was oncoming traffic. Sadly, no policeman around to see it.

 

[Fargo]

When I was a young man driving in Maryland it was a instant revocation of your drivers license for going 25 over the speed limit. The LEO took your license and if no one was with you that could legally drive your car it was impounded. Then you would get a letter in the mail to appear at the main MV branch ( if it was 150+ miles that was too bad ) for a short meeting to determine if and when you got your license back.
It's a shame its still not that way. 67 in a 35 is absurd. The ticket should have been 5 fold that.

I don't believe it was ever that way in Indiana. Indiana generally does not allow cops to make determinations on who gets to keep their license. If the ticket really was at 2:00 am, then the speed limit wasn't the 35 mph school zone limit. Indiana's statute does not allow for a perpetual school zone, it can only be in effect when children are present. Look at IC 9-21-5-6(d).

 

[17 squirrel]

I don't believe it was ever that way in Indiana. Indiana generally does not allow cops to make determinations on who gets to keep their license. If the ticket really was at 2:00 am, then the speed limit wasn't the 35 mph school zone limit. Indiana's statute does not allow for a perpetual school zone, it can only be in effect when children are present. Look at IC 9-21-5-6(d).[/QUOT


My understanding is , he was driving almost twice the speed limit ( of 35 mph )
And since he was also driving through a school zone that in itself added to the cost of the ticket.
And again blowing the speed limit by almost twice is absurd. Driving is a privilege not a right.
So I should expect 140 mph on parts of I 69 ? Thank god for the move right laws.
I've seen enough of speeding in my life / career and the end results.

 

[17 squirrel]

Who takes your license in Indiana when you are pulled over and are under the influence of drugs or alcohol ? Jonny Law takes it I do believe.
It was the same in MD for excessive speeding ( 25 ) over posted speed limit.
Like drugs and or alcohol the judge /MVA decides if and when you get it back.

 

[Fargo]

My understanding is , he was driving almost twice the speed limit ( of 35 mph )
And since he was also driving through a school zone that in itself added to the cost of the ticket.
And again blowing the speed limit by almost twice is absurd. Driving is a privilege not a right.
So I should expect 140 mph on parts of I 69 ? Thank god for the move right laws.
I've seen enough of speeding in my life / career and the end results.

Your "understanding" is not consistent with Indiana's statutes on school zones. You need to read 9-21-5-6 and 9-21-5-13. You then need to read 34-28-5-4 and note the difference in fine caps for Class C and Class B infractions.

 

[Fargo]

Who takes your license in Indiana when you are pulled over and are under the influence of drugs or alcohol ? Jonny Law takes it I do believe.
It was the same in MD for excessive speeding ( 25 ) over posted speed limit.
Like drugs and or alcohol the judge /MVA decides if and when you get it back.

Wrong. A cop may take your physical license on an OWI arrest but he is required by law to give you a receipt which functions as a valid license until a judge determines PC to suspend your driving privileges.

 

[17 squirrel]

Wrong. A cop may take your physical license on an OWI arrest but he is required by law to give you a receipt which functions as a valid license until a judge determines PC to suspend your driving privileges.

Ok.. I'm good with that, now what happens if you decline the test ?
Will the Officer not keep your license and give you a administrative suspension on the side of the road ?

 

[Fargo]

Ok.. I'm good with that, now what happens if you decline the test ?
Will the Officer not keep your license and give you a administrative suspension on the side of the road ?

No, a refusal suspension functions the same way as a certified test failure. There still has to be a judicial finding that there was PC to offer the test before the suspension is imposed. Look at 1(b) of the refusal statute below.

Sec. 7. (a) If a person refuses to submit to a chemical test, the
arresting officer shall inform the person that refusal will result in the suspension of the person’s driving privileges.
(b) If a person refuses to submit to a chemical test after having been advised that the refusal will result in the suspension of driving privileges or submits to a chemical test that results in prima facie evidence of intoxication, the arresting officer shall do the following: (1) Obtain the person’s driver’s license or permit if the person is
in possession of the document and issue a receipt valid until the initial hearing of the matter held under IC 35-33-7-1.
(2) Submit a probable cause affidavit to the prosecuting attorney of the county in which the alleged offense occurred.
As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.18. Amended by P.L.85-2013, SEC.93.

 

[17 squirrel]

Thanks.. Interesting, due process at work.

 

[Fargo]

Thanks.. Interesting, due process at work.

I know there at least were some states that had a procedure like you describe where you could get your license pulled on the side of the road. I do not know if any still exist; as you point out there are due process concerns with cops being able to levy penalties without judicial process.

 

[Vigilant]

Run down 38th St. In the morning, at the school zone just east of High School, to just west of Moller. IPD doesn't even slow down through there! Every few weeks, IPS Po-Po run radar through there and tag a BUNCH, haven't seen any IPD cars pulled over though?

 

[Redtbird]

it can only be in effect when children are present.[/COLOR] Look at IC 9-21-5-6(d).

Tell that to The Powers That Be in Vincennes. I think the signs read: "School Zone Speed Limit 20 mph"

 

[Hoosierkav]

Driving through Franklin (Johnson County), the Middle school is immediately off of US31, with a 40mph zone. The high school sits hundreds of yards off a county road, with a school zone posted.

Meanwhile, in the lovely village of New Whiteland, all the town streets are maxed at 30mph, even the congested house farm developments, where the per-acre kid census is higher than a school, and far more likely to be dashing across the street.

Just like most speed zones, there's not much science applied to how fast vehicles are allowed to travel.

 

[Gluemanz28]

I'm in my company car traveling for the most part of just about every day. School zones are not much of an inconvenience to me and the time it takes to slow down to the posted speed removes very little time out my day.

Exactly, how hard is it to slow down and lose 6 seconds out of your precious day, Jesus its a area that could have a high concentration of kids.
Sign, Sign everywhere a sign. ...... Read the sign, slow the F down.

Wait..... what...... you agreed with one of my post

Unless you didn't comprehend that I was saying that I do slow down to the posted speed limit and while doing so it takes very little time out of my day.

Either way I got a laugh out of it so good job Squirrel

 

[shootersix]

i used to drive my daughters to school(harrison) after dropping them off, i had to drive down green river road, so between harrison, the catholic school, and caze, i passed 3 schools, and every day, i slowed down to 20...and got passed by everybody and their mother, and a few times i saw a person get pulled over, and i laughed every time!,all i could think of was your going to court!, your fine is double! and the judge is going to chew your ass so bad you wont be able to sit down for a week!

here(eville) most schools have flashing school zone signs, and if you look theres a light on the back of the sign too(small) so when you drive past that small ight on the other side of the street, the school zone has ended, and the speed limit go's back to what ever is posted.

NOW here's the kicker, the lights at fairlawn school were messed up last year! the light headed east was flashing and the one headed west was off!, i talked to a police officer about it(not some jbt in a patrol car, but our crime prevention officer at out neighbor hood watch) and he said that they knew about it, but they couldnt figure out how to fix it.

 

[17 squirrel]

Wait..... what...... you agreed with one of my post

Unless you didn't comprehend that I was saying that I do slow down to the posted speed limit and while doing so it takes very little time out of my day.

Either way I got a laugh out of it so good job Squirrel

Well Jupiter aligned with Mars. So one day I'll explain to you the difference between Adhesives and Glue.. But if you're nice I'll tell you where to go and eat when your in OC,MD. Where are you staying ?

 

[HoughMade]

I'd be more worried about the guys who drive really, really, slow past a school.