Should Marijuana Be Legalized

[88GT]

Serious question: for those voting the "legalize only it" option, what is your justification for it? What makes it different than any other prohibited drug available? What did you use to draw your line in the sand?

More importantly, is that line drawn with a universally applicable standard or your moral one?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

NY, let's do some con math together:

Marijuana with a Prior Conviction, max 3 years +
Habitual Substance Offender, max 8 years +
11 years in the Department of Corrections.

Good news, you only have to do 5.5 years actual.

 

[ViperJock]

Well I'll be, Kutnupe14 and I agree on something.

I absolutely, totally, 100% agree that we should not let people get stoned, drunk and worthless knowing that, we, the productive members of society, will be forced to pay their way.

I think that a man should be allowed to snort coke, meth, draino, or whatever he pleases and if he falls hemorrhaging in the street the public should not be compelled by law to pay for his treatment.

I believe that it is this unholy mess of forcing everyone to pay for everyone else's mistakes that screws everything up. If I have to pay for Johnny's screw ups, then I feel that I have a right to tell Johnny what he can and cannot do. Since everyone is forced to pay for Johnny's screw ups by "social services" funded by the citizenry through taxes (money collected at the barrel of a gun), then the citizenry at large feels that they have a right to decide by council what Johnny is permitted to do and not do.

I say we pull the cord, stop forcing people to pay for Johnny and let Johnny sink or swim on his own. If Sally doesn't like seeing Johnny starve to death because he would rather shoot smack than work for food, then Sally can pay his way or she can pass the hat at church or at her social club or whatever.

I'm sick and tired of paying for Johnny. I'm sick and tired of Johnny, Sally, et all sitting around a table and deciding how much of the fruits of my labor they are going to take to pay for Johnny, then turning around and voting on what they are going to "allow" me to do with what's left of my life. Even if I get 1 vote in the issue it's still a load of crap.


Legalize dope, Ban forced participation in the funding of social services.

First:
Then if they don't like that:

Where's John Galt?

^^ This. We ALREADY DO pay for those people. We pay for 3 hots and a cot. we pay for public defenders. we pay for medicaid. we pay for food stamps. we pay, we pay, we pay.

I agree. Let them have it. If they abuse it. let them reap the benefits of their decision.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If you go to Germany much then you now that schoolkids walk by brothels every single day and do not burst into flame.

"What about the children" needs to die a quick death.

They're also exposed to porn on network television. Different places, certainly different cultures...

 

[NYFelon]

Let me first say that I don't think anyone should use drugs. That being said, we all know that a significant portion of the population does indulge. Whether it be legal drugs such as alcohol or those without the budget to hire a good PR firm such as weed.

The question we should be asking is not whether it is morally good for the country, but what would the results of legalization be? would it increase use? probably. I am sure there are some that are frightened away from it by threat of incarceration. I doubt there are many of those, however. I have no data to prove it, but I would guess that those who would use, use anyway. Those who would abuse, abuse anyway. They may use alcohol instead of weed, but the end result is the same: impaired cognition and increased risk of death to anyone who happens to be around them when they decide to drive. (or clean their guns....)

So the hypocrisy of the brandy snifting politician that bans, or the drunk LEO that arrests, is laughable to me.

Legalize it. Think of the loss of our taxes to fight the losing battle. Think of the people who have harmed noone but themselves and are hounded by the law. Think of the sales and income tax revenues?!?! The democrats would be able to continue euthanizing the country with entitlements without raising income tax on the producers! Ah Darwin at work.

Galt and Darwin in 2012! The platform: go ahead, smoke as much as you want....

Regarding the question in the bolded part of your statement, odds are very likely that use would rise. During the prohibition of the 1920s, the number of Americans consuming alcohol (or at least admitting to it) did fall. This can be attributed to the fact that most people do not break the law. So if it were legalized, use or at least experimentation would probably rise.

But again, the outright prohibition bring on bigger consequences than the legalization. See my previous posts about the rise of organized crime with relation to prohibiting intoxicants.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Serious question: for those voting the "legalize only it" option, what is your justification for it? What makes it different than any other prohibited drug available? What did you use to draw your line in the sand?

More importantly, is that line drawn with a universally applicable standard or your moral one?

I was actually going to address that as well... seems that you can only be for them all, or against them all.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

And yet somehow they find time to kick our butts in education.

The notion that legalized prostitution, or porn, or gambling or marijuana will destroy "the children" is inane.

 

[Kutnupe14]

And yet somehow they find time to kick our butts in education.

The notion that legalized prostitution, or porn, or gambling or marijuana will destroy "the children" is inane.

Possibly, but that wasn't my question. I asked if people, specifically Americans, would be ok with a brothel in their neighborhood. Whether or not it harms the children is moot, I'm wondering what specific parents think.

 

[NYFelon]

NY, let's do some con math together:

Marijuana with a Prior Conviction, max 3 years +
Habitual Substance Offender, max 8 years +
11 years in the Department of Corrections.

Good news, you only have to do 5.5 years actual.

jeezus. I'm sure you guys don't have a crime rate like we do in NY, but you seriously send people to prison for years for possessing a joint? That's nucking futs dude. I guess you guys just want to fill up the beds in the jail?

 

[tv1217]

I guess the Netherlands is full of unproductive layabouts pillaging, raping, and stealing from each other.

 

[ViperJock]

Regarding the question in the bolded part of your statement, odds are very likely that use would rise. During the prohibition of the 1920s, the number of Americans consuming alcohol (or at least admitting to it) did fall. This can be attributed to the fact that most people do not break the law. So if it were legalized, use or at least experimentation would probably rise.

But again, the outright prohibition bring on bigger consequences than the legalization. See my previous posts about the rise of organized crime with relation to prohibiting intoxicants.

The use of weed would increase but would the use of intoxicated drivers? it would just allow some to use weed instead of alcohol? Those who would abuse weed, were it legal, are probably abusing alcohol now, because it is. Net change? hard to predict. In the time of prohibition, alcohol was the only readily available intoxicant. It was all or nothing. Now-a-days there are doctors to legally scam narcotics from, alcohol is widely available, you can drink as many energy drinks as you can buy (compare to other stimulants) you can fake ADHD and get ritalin.... so many choices. I think perhaps that those who would abuse, already are. They just may not be abusing the technically illegal stuff... IMO.

 

[Kutnupe14]

jeezus. I'm sure you guys don't have a crime rate like we do in NY, but you seriously send people to prison for years for possessing a joint? That's nucking futs dude. I guess you guys just want to fill up the beds in the jail?

No, we dont.... the time is there, but I've never seen it served

 

[MinuteMan47]

Some of this stuff I am reading is pure ignorance, and I mean that in the most sincere way possible.

I would almost wager that 99% of the drug warriors and people against marijuana legalization haven't even smoked the stuff.



"But, it's so powerful now that it's like smoking crack!"

"People will kill just to get their next dime bag."

"It ruins lives!"



I mean come on.

If you are worried about teachers, cops, lawyers, or your mail man being "high", then drug test them. How hard would it be to have drug testing as a job requirement?

If marijuana will get you nowhere in life, make sure you don't tell these nobodies.

I didn't inhale either.

Arnold is numero uno.

Better eat your munchies...I mean Wheaties.
Olympic Gold Medalist - Michael Phelps

 

[M67]

"But, it's so powerful now that it's like smoking crack!"

"People will kill just to get their next dime bag."

"It ruins lives!"

Ha, Refer Madness

 

[Kutnupe14]

If marijuana will get you nowhere in life, make sure you don't tell these nobodies.

I didn't inhale either.

Arnold is numero uno.

Better eat your munchies...I mean Wheaties.
Olympic Gold Medalist - Michael Phelps

Uh, are you trying weaken your case?

 

[The Bubba Effect]

No, we dont.... the time is there, but I've never seen it served

He's right, the time is rarely, if ever, served. From where I sit (in the bleachers) it looks like you usually just get shook down for money in some type of "conditional discharge" scheme.

 

[NYFelon]

No, we dont.... the time is there, but I've never seen it served

He's right, the time is rarely, if ever, served. From where I sit (in the bleachers) it looks like you usually just get shook down for money in some type of "conditional discharge" scheme.

Ok, cool. I mean, I was really astounded there for a second. Again, I understand the fundamental differences between your state and mine, but to think that a guy could go to prison for years upon years for having a joint had me seriously taken aback.

 

[rjstew317]

Serious question: for those voting the "legalize only it" option, what is your justification for it? What makes it different than any other prohibited drug available? What did you use to draw your line in the sand?

More importantly, is that line drawn with a universally applicable standard or your moral one?

For me it's not about what you want to put in your body (edit: that's your choice, not mine), but the concern that I have about a backwoods chemist that wants to mix highly explosive chemicals right next door to me. Growing plants is one thing, playing with fire is another.

 

[88GT]

I was actually going to address that as well... seems that you can only be for them all, or against them all.

I don't see how it can be any other way, logically.

 

[MinuteMan47]

Uh, are you trying weaken your case?

How by posting a picture of OUR President?

Or the one of Mr. Olympia...I mean the Terminator......or wait was it the Governator....

Oh, you must be referring to the picture of a 16 time Olympic Medalist.

Yep. All of them smoked pot and became deadbeats.