Should a convicted felon ever get their gun rights back?

[theweakerbrother]

Animal farm reference.

Scarletetter reference.

Les Miserables reference.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I am cool with using the Nuclear Option on NY...

Are you talking about the State or the City?!
Not that I really care either way...

I hear parts of the State are actually quite beautiful

 

[millsusaf]

Without a complete change in our justice system I voted the third option. IF we could ever change our justice system so that violent offenders were given due punishment and/or never released I could vote definitely. Without that FAR too many violent felons commit violent crimes again.

 

[theweakerbrother]

For bonus points, degrees of earned citizenship rights reference from Starship Troopers

 

[Bunnykid68]

For bonus points, degrees of earned citizenship rights reference from Starship Troopers

Want to find out how you too, can become a Citizen?

 

[jeremy]

I hear parts of the State are actually quite beautiful

I can tell you for a FACT the Rochester, NY area is a very desolate and ugly place...

 

[Bunnykid68]

I can tell you for a FACT the Rochester, NY area is a very desolate and ugly place...

Ok, we can nuke it too then

 

[NYFelon]

I hear parts of the State are actually quite beautiful

Sorry for the crappy quality, but hey, it was taken with a crappy camera. A view of the Hudson through the foothills of the Catskills taken from the Bear Mountain Bridge.



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[jeremy]

Ok, we can nuke it too then

I am cool with that as well...

I just need to call some Friends that are there at Ft. Drum...

 

[JB357Mag]

I voted yes if a non violent felony.

Because thats me, Im trying to get my rights back right now.

I got a 2nd DUI in a span of 5 yrs in 1996. No accident no injury's
got pulled over for speeding and blew .10 when the law was .10.

Never did it again. never arrested for anything since.

If you think someone like me shouldnt own a gun, well u can
kiss my ass!!

Also 6 yrs active duty in the USAF 84 to 90, so Ive had some training.

Jimmy

 

[Lex Concord]

You've got to question the intelligence and moral character of anyone that gets convicted of a felony in the first place. And if you have reason to question their intelligence and character, you have reason to question if they should be allowed have a firearm.

Intelligence? No.

Moral character? Depends on the felony.

Character is not set in stone.

Even so, if they can't be trusted on the street as a full citizen (self defense rights restored) then they shouldn't be trusted on the street period, as they will not be disbarred the possession of golf clubs, ball bats, butcher knives, tire irons, or cars.

 

[sepe]

If you intentionally plan out and kill someone, can your debt ever be repaid?

Quite possibly. There have been convicted murderers that have turned their lives around. While it is pretty rare, it can happen. There are some that end up using their life stories to try to help others avoid the same things they done in life.

Are there some I'd say string em up and let it be a lesson to the next potential offenders? Yep.

 

[Lex Concord]

A "life sentence" in the USA, usually means they will get out at some point. I have to believe that a convicted murderer should not be able to purchase a gun.

For that matter, I don't think a convicted murderer should ever see the light of day again, after all their victims can't.

But if he does see the light of day....should he have a steak knife....bat...tire iron....car....pipe....wrench....pipe wrench ...

Seriously...singling out guns dovetails quite nicely with the Brady Campaign's assertion that guns are not just tools but special implements of violence that must be restricted....

 

[Bunnykid68]

But if he does see the light of day....should he have a steak knife....bat...tire iron....car....pipe....wrench....pipe wrench ...

Seriously...singling out guns dovetails quite nicely with the Brady Campaign's assertion that guns are not just tools but special implements of violence that must be restricted....

QFT - This thread can be closed now

 

[Citizen711]

If they are released to rejoin Society, then they are obviously no longer a danger. Give 'em their Rights back...

Except people aren't put in or kept in prison because they are a danger to society. They are only put in prison after the damage has been done, and only kept there until the prescribed amount of time has elapsed. When their time is up, it matters not whether anyone believes them rehabilitated.

 

[jeremy]

Except people aren't put in or kept in prison because they are a danger to society. They are only put in prison after the damage has been done, and only kept there until the prescribed amount of time has elapsed. When their time is up, it matters not whether anyone believes them rehabilitated.

Then either execute them, or leave them in the Prison. If they are no longer in Prison, then give them ALL their Rights back...

 

[Citizen711]

But if he does see the light of day....should he have a steak knife....bat...tire iron....car....pipe....wrench....pipe wrench ...

Seriously...singling out guns dovetails quite nicely with the Brady Campaign's assertion that guns are not just tools but special implements of violence that must be restricted....

Way to keep the discussion on track. That's a very compelling argument.

 

[Citizen711]

Then either execute them, or leave them in the Prison. If they are no longer in Prison, then give them ALL their Rights back...

What part of sentencing don't you understand? If a judge hands down a sentence of 20-years for killing someone, barring bad behavior inside, they must be allowed to leave after their time is served. Who is to say who should have to stay in prison or be executed, after a jury of their peers and a judge have already made that determination?

 

[NYFelon]

Actually, it is. If someone is intent, right down to their bones, to harm or kill someone, you think the lack of a gun will stop them? Why don't you check into what's been going on in Australia? After the firearm ban, firearm violence itself went up over 300% in the state of Queensland. They also had a huge spike in assaults with edged weaponry. The response to this was to ban swords, except for those in an accredited fencing club or program, and even those citizens must store their epees at the club. After that, people started being beaten in a disproportionate number with cricket bats. Solution? More legislation. You can kill someone with a friggin' pencil if you're that deadset on it. You're only discussing/affecting the efficacy of the weapon with which the purported offender has access, you're doing nothing whatsoever to combat intent. Moreover, it is now more difficult to defend against any such purported offenders.

His point was in fact, right in line with the purpose of this thread.

 

[jeremy]

What part of sentencing don't you understand? If a judge hands down a sentence of 20-years for killing someone, barring bad behavior inside, they must be allowed to leave after their time is served. Who is to say who should have to stay in prison or be executed, after a jury of their peers and a judge have already made that determination?

OK, let me back up and slip into a Thought group you may get...

If they (the convicted) are NO longer serving the Sentence that a Jury of their Peers, and a Judge decreed that was to be served as Punishment for their Crimes. Then give them back their Rights.

What Part of RIGHTS don't you understand?!