SC officer charged with murder in man's death. Video catches him plant evidence.

[jamil]

I'm not excusing the act of the shooting.
Merely that a chuckle may not be what you think it is.

I did read the part about "not making excuses". I'm more or less paraphrasing and agreeing with you. He made a horrible mistake in an instant that will profoundly change his life.

 

[actaeon277]

I'm trying to find reputable links, but everything I search for seems to come up with adrenaline rush, and I'm looking for what comes after.

There is this.
It's Primal Protection: Why it's Important to Understand Adrenaline

The after-effects of an adrenaline surge are also something you should be aware of :

• Firstly, your hands can shake, and you can feel quite weak. This is simply a result of the falling blood sugar that was pumped into your system to provide the energy needed for a flight-or-fight survival response.
• Secondly, there can be a sleep-inducing effect from the adrenaline wash-out and endorphin rush, which triggers a cut-out switch in the brain. This sudden fainting episode is simply caused by a drop in blood pressure and heart-rate, and should not be confused with a fear response.
• Thirdly, an unexpected release of strong emotion that was suppressed during the adrenaline surge. Most often this erupts in the form of crying - which shocks and embarrasses people when they don't know to expect it.

All of these points are common, and can affect anyone at anytime

"Most often this results in the form of crying"
Most often does not mean always.
Many times various emotions come out, amplified. And many of the emotions are opposites. Happiness-Depression. Excitement-Fear. Etc.

Adrenaline and post adrenaline often cause arousal.
That doesn't mean the person is a sick person that gets off on killing people.


I can't remember the resources I need, I think they have to do with doctors looking into reactions of people (mostly police/fire or military) that have been in extreme situations.

 

[actaeon277]

I did read the part about "not making excuses". I'm more or less paraphrasing and agreeing with you. He made a horrible mistake in an instant that will profoundly change his life.

Well, that makes my research useless.
Ha.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I'm not excusing the act of the shooting.
Merely that a chuckle may not be what you think it is.

I yawn after stress. I guess the media would spin it that I'm bored by the whole thing.

 

[phylodog]

I'm trying to find reputable links, but everything I search for seems to come up with adrenaline rush, and I'm looking for what comes after.

There is this.
It's Primal Protection: Why it's Important to Understand Adrenaline


"Most often this results in the form of crying"
Most often does not mean always.
Many times various emotions come out, amplified. And many of the emotions are opposites. Happiness-Depression. Excitement-Fear. Etc.

Adrenaline and post adrenaline often cause arousal.
That doesn't mean the person is a sick person that gets off on killing people.


I can't remember the resources I need, I think they have to do with doctors looking into reactions of people (mostly police/fire or military) that have been in extreme situations.

Col. Dave Grossman's (Ret) Bullet Proof Mind presentation covers the effects pretty well.

 

[actaeon277]

Col. Dave Grossman's (Ret) Bullet Proof Mind presentation covers the effects pretty well.

I was thinking of Grossman's "On Combat". But I would rather state where he got his research from. But I don't think it's worth it.

Reactor Operator on a sub taught me personally about boredom punctuated with sheer terror.

 

[actaeon277]

I yawn after stress. I guess the media would spin it that I'm bored by the whole thing.

And that's why I rep you as often as I can.
Trying to build up goodwill in case you ever have to yell "stop resisting" at me.

 

[phylodog]

I was thinking of Grossman's "On Combat". But I would rather state where he got his research from. But I don't think it's worth it.

Reactor Operator on a sub taught me personally about boredom punctuated with sheer terror.

If I recall correctly he did the majority of his own research. He does reference other sources for statistics.

 

[jamil]

I'm trying to find reputable links, but everything I search for seems to come up with adrenaline rush, and I'm looking for what comes after.

There is this.
It's Primal Protection: Why it's Important to Understand Adrenaline


"Most often this results in the form of crying"
Most often does not mean always.
Many times various emotions come out, amplified. And many of the emotions are opposites. Happiness-Depression. Excitement-Fear. Etc.

Adrenaline and post adrenaline often cause arousal.
That doesn't mean the person is a sick person that gets off on killing people.


I can't remember the resources I need, I think they have to do with doctors looking into reactions of people (mostly police/fire or military) that have been in extreme situations.

Well, that makes my research useless.
Ha.

Not useless. I'm glad you went through the trouble.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

And that's why I rep you as often as I can.
Trying to build up goodwill in case you ever have to yell "stop resisting" at me.

Don't take the last doughnut and we won't have to go there.

 

[actaeon277]

Don't take the last doughnut and we won't have to go there.

Now I just need to know what to do in case of Frank. I mean it couldn't also be a doughnut. That would be too clichéish.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Now I just need to know what to do in case of Frank. I mean it couldn't also be a doughnut. That would be too clichéish.

Don't cut down his beanstalk?

 

[poppy]

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[hoosierdoc]

I'm not excusing the act of the shooting.
Merely that a chuckle may not be what you think it is.

Right. I have given a nervous chuckle before starting to speak in the ER. Usually it's when a patient or family member is giving me the riot act for absolutely no reason. It's not that I think it's funny (though they yell at me and say I'm laughing at them) it's that I'm so shocked at what's happening I don't know how to begin to respond.

 

[dusty88]

Right. I have given a nervous chuckle before starting to speak in the ER. Usually it's when a patient or family member is giving me the riot act for absolutely no reason. It's not that I think it's funny (though they yell at me and say I'm laughing at them) it's that I'm so shocked at what's happening I don't know how to begin to respond.

I can relate to this also. Dealing with emergency situations can cause you to unleash profanity, dark humor, etc.

 

[KG1]

Just got caught up in this thread. I would talk about it but I'm not talking about it.

 

[david890]

So where exactly is this warning shot supposed to go? Up in the air? into the ground? at a tree? down the block? You don't see a potential problem with collateral damage or an innocent being struck by that warning shot perhaps? Maybe he might've hit that witness that was taking the video.

In the general direction of the perp, but at an angle so that it's likely to strike the ground. Something like "knee-level".

Yes, there's a chance of collateral damage, or that a stray round might hit a bystander. However, those conditions exist for every cop who's trying to hit the perp! Cops often miss their intended target, not to mention rounds that might pass through the perp!We've all read accounts of shoot-outs, and in most of these, there were far more misses than hits. In the heat of the moment, accuracy goes out the window.

 

[david890]

Shoot to wound?
Warning shots?
I hate to sound condescending here, but that's so much Hollyweird myth.

The cop had time to draw, aim and fire eight rounds at a trotting target just 20 yards away. He had enough time to fire a well-aimed, non-lethal shot (i.e., to the lower torso, not mid-back). Okay, okay; such a would could be fatal. However, we know 8 to the chest will almost certainly be fatal.

 

[Woobie]

Deadly force is deadly force. We don't use deadly force to warn people that we're about to use deadly force. You warn people with non lethal means, such as voice commands. Cops are no different than the rest of us, they can't just go slinging lead in the hopes that the noise will make the BG give up. Bullets are a liability, unless you're at the range (well, usually).

 

[jamil]

The cop had time to draw, aim and fire eight rounds at a trotting target just 20 yards away. He had enough time to fire a well-aimed, non-lethal shot (i.e., to the lower torso, not mid-back). Okay, okay; such a would could be fatal. However, we know 8 to the chest will almost certainly be fatal.

Um. No. I'm not sure if you're serious or not. But it seems like you are.

If an officer points a deadly weapon at a person and fires in his direction--doesn't matter what part of the anatomy he's aiming at--he is applying deadly force. The act of running away from a police officer, by itself, is not a deadly force circumstance. Our INGO officers have said as much. As someone else said, this isn't TV or the movies.