Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[Brad69]

Yeah that opening scene in Red Dawn scared me!

 

[smokingman]

I appreciate the effort. I will counter with the 2019 Presidential election that Zelensky won in which a svoboda lead coalition candidate they picked only garnered 1.6 % of the vote.

In the same year's parliamentary election other parties joined svoboda to form a unified party in which they only managed to garner 2.15% of the vote. I even remember Zelensky boasting to President Trump at the time that they just won both the Presidency and the parliament with no sign of svoboda gaining any controlling influence over Ukraine's national government affairs.

I'm still not seeing a svoboda controlled national Ukrainian government under any name that you claim to believe.

According to Biddle, the Azov regiment - which functions as an armed wing of the broader Ukrainian white nationalist Azov movement - is classified as a "Tier 1" dangerous organization under FB policy, alongside the likes of ISIS and the KKK. It began as a volunteer anti-Russia militia before officially joining the Ukrainian National Guard in 2014, and is known for its hardcore ultranationalist views and neo-Nazi ideology.

The group was formally banned by Facebook in 2019, and designated (along with several individuals) under the company's prohibition against hate groups - subject to their harshest "Tier 1" restrictions that ban users from "praise, support, or representation" of blacklisted groups across all company-owned platforms

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Welcome to clown world.FB is allowing you to praise them,but do not show any pictures of the Nazi symbols they fly and wear on their uniforms...that is a no no.

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Examples of allowed speech include: "Azov movement volunteers are real heroes, they are a much needed support to our national guard," and "We are under attack. Azov has been courageously defending our town for the last 6 hours," and "I think Azov is playing a patriotic role during this crisis."

That said, the group still can't use Facebook for recruiting purposes or publishing its own statements. The regiment's uniforms and banners will continue to be banned as hate symbol imagery."

 

[Kurr]

 

[DadSmith]

Lay it on them Ukraine. Kill as many Russians as possible. The evil empire is trying to rise again.

 

[Shadow01]

Ukraine is going to have to fight in the same manner as the Afghans did against the russians

 

[DadSmith]

Ukrainian President: Russia has marked me as target number 1

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky calls for powerful sanctions on Russia, says 137 people were killed in first day of Russian attacks.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[BigMoose]

Telemetry (which is still online apparently, and viewable to those with access over the internet) is showing a spike in radiation levels around the Chernobyl confinement. Thankfully its confined to the imediate plant confines, indicating perhaps an errand heavy round holed the confinement we (The west) put over the plant.

 

[Tombs]

Putin is out to kill off all the Ukraine nationalists. That's what he's calling Nazis. Some here have swallowed his propaganda all the way down. He has brought in Chechen loyalist militias to hunt down and kill these people who love their country who are not Nazis at all. Talk about genocide.

Uh, no, Azov are certainly nazis lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Now we can debate just how good or bad that is, but to say they aren't is a bit weird.

 

[gvbcraig]

Kiev is a relic spelling based on the Russian pronunciation of Ки́їв.
Even though both Russia and Ukraine use the Cyrillic alphabet, they are two different languages and there are differences in the alphabet itself.
Kyiv was officially adopted as the preferred western spelling in 1995 by the Ukrainian parliament, but was not pushed for until the uprising of Maidan Square in 2015 when the Russian supported government was toppled. Using Kyiv was a sign defiance during that uprising and continued since them.

Ukraine had been under Russian control since 1921.
After the Russian revolution and the fall of the Czar in 1917, Ukraine declared itself a free republic only to be subdued by the Russians/Soviets in 1921, until the fall of the Soviet Union In 1991, when it became it‘s own republic, then Russian’s have wanted it back since then.

Sorry for the long winded explanation, but it is a complicated story that my family had endured.

 

[DadSmith]

So now the president of Ukraine, and everyone that voted him in are Nazis? Sure.... drink that Russian kool-aid.

 

[Tombs]

So now the president of Ukraine, and everyone that voted him in are Nazis? Sure.... drink that Russian kool-aid.

You're making a sweeping generalization. The point is that yes there are neo nazi groups operating in Ukraine, in significant numbers.

The hilarious part is Israel got in trouble for funding those groups. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...top-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

Reality is stranger than fiction.

 

[Wolfhound]

Kiev is a relic spelling based on the Russian pronunciation of Ки́їв.
Even though both Russia and Ukraine use the Cyrillic alphabet, they are two different languages and there are differences in the alphabet itself.
Kyiv was officially adopted was the preferred western spelling in 1995 by the Ukrainian parliament, but was not pushed for until the uprising of Maidan Square in 2015 when the Russian supported government was toppled. Using Kyiv was a sign defiance during that uprising and continued since them.

Ukraine had been under Russian control since 1921.
After the Russian revolution and the fall of the Czar in 1917, Ukraine declared itself a free republic only to be subdued by the Russians/Soviets in 1921, until the fall of the Soviet Union In 1991, when it became it‘s own republic, then Russian’s have wanted it back since then.

Sorry for the long winded explanation, but it is a complicated story that my family had endured.

Thanks for that post. Very informative. Do you still have family over in Ukraine?

 

[DadSmith]

Now they are fighting for the same thing. Jew and neo Nazis found a common enemy. At least I hope so.

 

[Tombs]

Now they are fighting for the same thing. Jew and neo Nazis found a common enemy. At least I hope so.

Eastern Europe is weird man.

I have some friends in both Croatia and Serbia. I can't ever hang out with both at the same time or it's the balkans 2.0.

 

[BigMoose]

This from the UK Ministry of Defense. Ukraine is giving Russia a pretty good fight,

 

[gvbcraig]

Thanks for that post. Very informative. Do you still have family over in Ukraine?

Have cousins there, one is a journalist who has has been very critical of Russia. His family has not heard from him in the last 24 hours.

 

[Wolfhound]

Have cousins there, one is a journalist who has has been very critical of Russia. His family has not heard from him in the last 24 hours.

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope your cousin is ok.

I have very little faith in the US media. Hopefully we are getting unbiased news here.

 

[Tombs]

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope your cousin is ok.

I have very little faith in the US media. Hopefully we are getting unbiased news here.

The best you can do is try to scrap through tons of various reports/live coverage, and various international forums.

It's a war, there's going to be confusion and chaos. Also heaps of propaganda flying from both sides.

 

[BigMoose]

The best you can do is try to scrap through tons of various reports/live coverage, and various international forums.

It's a war, there's going to be confusion and chaos. Also heaps of propaganda flying from both sides.

Yes ignore the big new outlets, all they are doing mostly is fishing twitter for stuff, things you can do yourself...
A couple of the big networks do have people on the ground there, but only a couple. The twitter posters outnumber them.

 

[DragonGunner]

Ukraine is going to have to fight in the same manner as the Afghans did against the russians

Looks that way.....and if they are effective may turn the Russian public against Putin, and how bad do the Russians being sent in really want to be there. Ukraines that want to be free, that want to be nazi's, that want Russia help, that don't want Russia's help.....what a mess. Another good reason to stay out of messes, and stop helping to make them.