Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

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    mmpsteve

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    Oh I certainly agree. What most do not understand is that financial services(including derivatives and various money schemes) account for 22% of our GDP. The derivatives market is estimated at over $1 quadrillion in US dollars. How? Leverage. See a derivative in oil with an original wager of say $1000 can be leveraged up to 100 times that amount(depending on the odds makers,but 3-7x is fairly normal these days). Now if the original $1000 investor loses he gets a margin call. If he can not pay the $3000(went with the lowest leverage commonly used) he is in default. With derivatives there is no such thing as insurance(or oversight for that matter it is the wild west,but you do sign contracts so some legal framework exists,just no one to really watch over the whole fiasco that is substantially larger than all the economies of the world combined).

    Think of a derivative like this. It is a bet something will move one way or the other,and by how much in some cases. That is all it really is. A bet. Those "bets" equal billions of dollars every single day,with some losing and some winning. The problem has always been what happens when one side loses,badly. That is what is happening currently.

    If it were a card game in Vegas the dealer just wiped the whole table,then stole the chips and ran out of the casino,where a pick pocket stole a few of his chips. Even the dealer was robbed because it turns out chips are not money and no one is letting him cash in his chips(they went into default) and the pick pocket, well he has a few chips to use(while trying to not get caught). Everyone else involved though gets nothing and all lost their original wager. Now do that x $1 quadrillion. You likely see the problem of where we are.

    China's 4th largest bank that just imploded and defaulted. That was because of the nickle derivatives it held and leveraged.One type of derivative was all it took,that was all it took. It lost and lost big. It can not meet the margin call and will never have enough in assets to(unless the government of China prints the money and just gives it to them,like our Fed did with our banks during the MBS fiasco commonly called the housing bubble).

    And the trigger for all of this? Sanctions. It really is that simple.

    Ok now for the rofl part I just read.
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    (Bloomberg) -- A unit of China Construction Bank Corp. was given additional time by the London Metal Exchange to pay hundreds of millions of dollars of margin calls it missed Monday amid an unprecedented spike in nickel prices, according to people familiar with the matter.
    The reprieve from the LME means that the unit, called CCBI Global Markets, is not formally in default(**me...um yea it does it also meant someone is expecting the government of China to bail them out so they can get paid**), the people said, asking not to be identified as the matter isn’t public.
    The non-payment isn’t necessarily an indicator of any problems at the parent company, which is one of China’s largest banks."

    Here's something that is also simple. All the gambling activity you quote above does not produce one tangible iota of substance that benefits the human race.

    It doesn't raise a crop, or a loaf of bread, or produce a fine 22 caliber rifle to shoot squirrels, or build a bridge, or dig a well, or fix anyone's Plumbing.

    Maybe all those gambling fools that you mentioned above need to find something productive to do with their lives.

    This country was made great by people producing goods or services of value that other people would pay them to possess. We need to get back to those roots if we are to salvage this once great country.

    Financial gamblers add nothing of value. And I do understand the role of capital formation in the production process.

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    I get your point, and don’t necessarily disagree, I’m not sure what to believe, I am however assuming the shelling of civilians is legitimate and base my comment on that. I could be wrong, and time may or may not tell in this world we live in now.

    Do you think the power and internet is still on because putins a saint and there’s not really a war at all it’s all fake news?

    I've seen Ukrainians set up artillery batteries in the center of apartment complexes and fight from hospitals.
    So when they inevitably end up getting shelled, they claim Russia is shelling civilians, but they neglect to state that they were using those civilians as human shields. I've not seen evidence of Russia targeting civilians, and I've seen an awful lot of footage of this war, both live and pictures.

    I think the power and internet are still on because Putin isn't interested in leveling the country, he wants a change of government with as little insurgency as possible. This means very slowly taking territory, and selectively going after military. Blowing up civilian homes isn't a great way to prevent insurgency, I think we learned our lesson on that pretty well after fighting a 2 decade war.

    I'm not sure what is it with folks, but I've even seen them say it in this very thread. They think a lie is acceptable and should be perpetuated as long as it serves the media's goals. I believe this is morally wrong and reprehensible. We should be making judgments based on the facts of the situation, not what feeds the fee fees.

    I will admit, I am biased against Ukraine at this point because I took people's word in good faith, only to discover it's nothing more than lie after lie after lie. After finally getting down to brass tacks, I don't believe anything beyond what I see and aggregate based on various stories and known biases.
     

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    Here's something that is also simple. All the gambling activity you quote above does not produce one tangible iota of substance that benefits the human race.

    It doesn't raise a crop, or a loaf of bread, or produce a fine 22 caliber rifle to shoot squirrels, or build a bridge, or dig a well, or fix anyone's Plumbing.

    Maybe all those gambling fools that you mentioned above need to find something productive to do with their lives.

    This country was made great by people producing goods or services of value that other people would pay them to possess. We need to get back to those roots if we are to salvage this once great country.

    Financial gamblers add nothing of value. And I do understand the role of capital formation in the production process.

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    I 100% agree. They do worse than create nothing,they destroy people and companies that do,often times to make a few pennies on a dollar.
     

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    Even if you do not read Zerohedge.com you should at least read this piece.

    Kind of what I have been saying about the USA restricting SWIFT,but fills in many of the details.
     

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    Props for what is likely the very first time the word "Busia" has been used on INGO. :):

    Mine would have hit the first Ruskie she saw with a frying pan and chased 'em down the block. :D

    EDIT: No, first use was related to kielbasa in 2014: https://www.indianagunowners.com/th...nd-still-eat-today.360432/page-2#post-5316785
    My Busia and Dziadzia were from neighboring villages in SE Poland, but I don't think that they knew each other until they came to the US (East Chicago) a few months apart in 1919. She was a big woman ( yeah, strong like bull!), and he was a slight man who worked his ass off in a slaughterhouse and then a steel mill, and died at the age of 65. Out of the dozens of grandchildren, "Daveet" (me) was her favorite. It was like having a badassed bodyguard at Christmas and Easter if ever the older cousins tried to mess with me.
     

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    I wonder how much of the equipment we are giving to Ukraine will end up in the Russian military arsenal?

    Ukraine is going to lose despite all the propaganda. Russia is slowly encircling resistance and crushing it, then moves on to the next group.
     

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    If it were me, I wouldn't be so quick to get all googly eyed over Putin's "benevolence"
     

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    Yep. Ukrainians should not have left the house dressed like that. Saint Putin had every right to invade a sovereign country. We should be thanking him.
     

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    Yep. Ukrainians should not have left the house dressed like that. Saint Putin had every right to invade a sovereign country. We should be thanking him.

    I wouldn't put much faith in Saint Biden either.

    After invading the sovereign countries of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. And those are just the ones of recent history, I'm sure he voted and approved of the countless others.

    I don't think you understand that there aren't "good guys" here. Real life isn't a marvel movie.
     
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    KG1

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    Putin has a history of ratcheting up the destruction of civilian populated areas. In the second Chechen war he ratcheted up missile attacks, including the use of munitions with thermobaric warheads on the capitol city of Grozny when Russian troops stalled on the outskirts.

    Ultimately, as many as 8,000 were estimated to have been killed in Grozny by the end of the siege. In a subsequent UN report it described Grozny as the 'most destroyed city" on Earth.

    Similar things were done in Georgia and Russian aircraft were accused of doing similar things in Syria in support of the Assad Regime.
     
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    ghuns

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    So much for allies….

    I wouldn't read too much into it.

    Haven't you ever ducked a call from an elderly parent/grandparent?:D

    You just assume it's gonna be about what's on sale at the grocery store, the soup they ate for lunch, or worse, they got a new cellphone or computer and can't remember their wifi password but expect you to.
     
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