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    BigRed

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    The war is over!


    Not sure it would work, but maybe we could hog tie obiden and drop him in Moscow.

    It may end the war. It may not. Regardless, there would be one less piece of **** in the mix.
     

    rooster

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    Was anyone else paying attention 2 weeks ago when the tinfoil hat crowd said we had bio weapons research labs in Ukraine?

    Boy how crazy it would be if the Russians found evidence of Covid or hiv being bio weapons?

    I know the second part sounds crazy but so did the first last week.

     

    nra4ever

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    Was anyone else paying attention 2 weeks ago when the tinfoil hat crowd said we had bio weapons research labs in Ukraine?

    Boy how crazy it would be if the Russians found evidence of Covid or hiv being bio weapons?

    I know the second part sounds crazy but so did the first last week.


    26 labs in Ukraine alone.
     

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    smokingman

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    Pardon me while I wipe away my tear for short-sellers and derivative traders

    I will then tune my very tiny violin in preparation for playing a dirge
    Oh I certainly agree. What most do not understand is that financial services(including derivatives and various money schemes) account for 22% of our GDP. The derivatives market is estimated at over $1 quadrillion in US dollars. How? Leverage. See a derivative in oil with an original wager of say $1000 can be leveraged up to 100 times that amount(depending on the odds makers,but 3-7x is fairly normal these days). Now if the original $1000 investor loses he gets a margin call. If he can not pay the $3000(went with the lowest leverage commonly used) he is in default. With derivatives there is no such thing as insurance(or oversight for that matter it is the wild west,but you do sign contracts so some legal framework exists,just no one to really watch over the whole fiasco that is substantially larger than all the economies of the world combined).

    Think of a derivative like this. It is a bet something will move one way or the other,and by how much in some cases. That is all it really is. A bet. Those "bets" equal billions of dollars every single day,with some losing and some winning. The problem has always been what happens when one side loses,badly. That is what is happening currently.

    If it were a card game in Vegas the dealer just wiped the whole table,then stole the chips and ran out of the casino,where a pick pocket stole a few of his chips. Even the dealer was robbed because it turns out chips are not money and no one is letting him cash in his chips(they went into default) and the pick pocket, well he has a few chips to use(while trying to not get caught). Everyone else involved though gets nothing and all lost their original wager. Now do that x $1 quadrillion. You likely see the problem of where we are.

    China's 4th largest bank that just imploded and defaulted. That was because of the nickle derivatives it held and leveraged.One type of derivative was all it took,that was all it took. It lost and lost big. It can not meet the margin call and will never have enough in assets to(unless the government of China prints the money and just gives it to them,like our Fed did with our banks during the MBS fiasco commonly called the housing bubble).

    And the trigger for all of this? Sanctions. It really is that simple.

    Ok now for the rofl part I just read.(just released this evening,more than 24 hours after the bank defaulted).
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    (Bloomberg) -- A unit of China Construction Bank Corp. was given additional time by the London Metal Exchange to pay hundreds of millions of dollars of margin calls it missed Monday amid an unprecedented spike in nickel prices, according to people familiar with the matter.
    The reprieve from the LME means that the unit, called CCBI Global Markets, is not formally in default(**me...um yea it does it also meant someone at the LME is expecting the government of China to bail out the bank so they can get paid "hundreds of millions"**), the people said, asking not to be identified as the matter isn’t public.
    The non-payment isn’t necessarily an indicator of any problems at the parent company, which is one of China’s largest banks."<-----
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    Tombs

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    Russia is brutal and harsh because they are lobbing shells into civilian areas; I would think no matter your stance or 'side' one would think this was brutal and harsh. The internet and power would certainly be an inconvenience for civilians, but they wouldn't be hopelessly running in fear for their lives.

    Maybe the internet and power is still on because Russia is really just a mouthy bully? They were supposed to walk in and cream them but they didn't.

    Or maybe the situation isn't what the liberal media is making it out to be, and we shouldn't trust their word because they've been lying to us for decades about everything?

    There's counter-points to this situation that are sufficiently backed up by what the situation looks like.

    But for some reason, after the past month, you can't be truthful about ukraine anymore unless you want to be called a KGB agent.
    Up until last month, saying Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries on earth, without anyone objecting to that. Them getting invaded has nothing to do with that, and doesn't change that status.

    But fee fees! must virtue signal, must repeat CNN.
     

    Ark

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    Oh I certainly agree. What most do not understand is that financial services(including derivatives and various money schemes) account for 22% of our GDP. The derivatives market is estimated at over $1 quadrillion in US dollars. How? Leverage. See a derivative in oil with an original wager of say $1000 can be leveraged up to 100 times that amount(depending on the odds makers,but 3-7x is fairly normal these days). Now if the original $1000 investor loses he gets a margin call. If he can not pay the $3000(went with the lowest leverage commonly used) he is in default. With derivatives there is no such thing as insurance(or oversight for that matter it is the wild west,but you do sign contracts so some legal framework exists,just no one to really watch over the whole fiasco that is substantially larger than all the economies of the world combined).

    Think of a derivative like this. It is a bet something will move one way or the other,and by how much in some cases. That is all it really is. A bet. Those "bets" equal billions of dollars every single day,with some losing and some winning. The problem has always been what happens when one side loses,badly. That is what is happening currently.

    If it were a card game in Vegas the dealer just wiped the whole table,then stole the chips and ran out of the casino,where a pick pocket stole a few of his chips. Even the dealer was robbed because it turns out chips are not money and no one is letting him cash in his chips(they went into default) and the pick pocket, well he has a few chips to use(while trying to not get caught). Everyone else involved though gets nothing and all lost their original wager. Now do that x $1 quadrillion. You likely see the problem of where we are.

    China's 4th largest bank that just imploded and defaulted. That was because of the nickle derivatives it held and leveraged.One type of derivative was all it took,that was all it took. It lost and lost big. It can not meet the margin call and will never have enough in assets to(unless the government of China prints the money and just gives it to them,like our Fed did with our banks during the MBS fiasco commonly called the housing bubble).

    And the trigger for all of this? Sanctions. It really is that simple.

    Ok now for the rofl part I just read.
    "
    (Bloomberg) -- A unit of China Construction Bank Corp. was given additional time by the London Metal Exchange to pay hundreds of millions of dollars of margin calls it missed Monday amid an unprecedented spike in nickel prices, according to people familiar with the matter.
    The reprieve from the LME means that the unit, called CCBI Global Markets, is not formally in default(**me...um yea it does it also meant someone at the LME is expecting the government of China to bail out the bank so they can get paid**), the people said, asking not to be identified as the matter isn’t public.
    The non-payment isn’t necessarily an indicator of any problems at the parent company, which is one of China’s largest banks."
    Derivatives cascade. Oh that's a fun Q2 party.

    Everybody owes everyone else eleventy trillion dollars, pay up!
     

    smokingman

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    Or maybe the situation isn't what the liberal media is making it out to be, and we shouldn't trust their word because they've been lying to us for decades about everything?

    There's counter-points to this situation that are sufficiently backed up by what the situation looks like.

    But for some reason, after the past month, you can't be truthful about ukraine anymore unless you want to be called a KGB agent.
    Up until last month, saying Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries on earth, without anyone objecting to that. Them getting invaded has nothing to do with that, and doesn't change that status.

    But fee fees! must virtue signal, must repeat CNN.

    “Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses.”​


    ― Plato
     

    ditcherman

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    In the country, hopefully.
    Or maybe the situation isn't what the liberal media is making it out to be, and we shouldn't trust their word because they've been lying to us for decades about everything?

    There's counter-points to this situation that are sufficiently backed up by what the situation looks like.

    But for some reason, after the past month, you can't be truthful about ukraine anymore unless you want to be called a KGB agent.
    Up until last month, saying Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries on earth, without anyone objecting to that. Them getting invaded has nothing to do with that, and doesn't change that status.

    But fee fees! must virtue signal, must repeat CNN.
    I get your point, and don’t necessarily disagree, I’m not sure what to believe, I am however assuming the shelling of civilians is legitimate and base my comment on that. I could be wrong, and time may or may not tell in this world we live in now.

    Do you think the power and internet is still on because putins a saint and there’s not really a war at all it’s all fake news?
     

    smokingman

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    I get your point, and don’t necessarily disagree, I’m not sure what to believe, I am however assuming the shelling of civilians is legitimate and base my comment on that. I could be wrong, and time may or may not tell in this world we live in now.

    Do you think the power and internet is still on because putins a saint and there’s not really a war at all it’s all fake news?
    1991 bombing of Iraq, was an extensive aerial bombing campaign from 17 January 1991 to 23 February 1991. The Coalition of the Gulf War flew over 100,000 sorties, dropping 88,500 tons of bombs,[4] widely destroying military and civilian infrastructure.

    When we did it most supported it,and we certainly took out the grid and all communications(then we paid to rebuild it).
     
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