Right to Work Bill

[Coach]

How about a referendum on the issue and let the voters decide, and be done with it.

 

[rooster007]

Guys I will be so glad when they get rid of all these evil unions, then maybe that new SUV , I've been wanting to buy, will only cost me 20k instead of 65k

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Guys I will be so glad when they get rid of all these evil unions, then maybe that new SUV , I've been wanting to buy, will only cost me 20k instead of 65k

Well actually, for that to happen, you'd have to have the government repeal most of the environmental and safety regulations that automakers have to meet so that idiot drivers won't kill themselves or spend too much for gasoline.

 

[Stschil]

Guys I will be so glad when they get rid of all these evil unions, then maybe that new SUV , I've been wanting to buy, will only cost me 20k instead of 65k

If you were a UAW sheeple working for Government Motors, it would only cost you $40k.

 

[Roadie]

Well actually, for that to happen, you'd have to have the government repeal most of the environmental and safety regulations that automakers have to meet so that idiot drivers won't kill themselves or spend too much for gasoline.

Exactly the reason a mid 80s Honda CRX got around 45mpg, but we have to have a hybrid to get that now. Sounds more like regress than progress to me..

 

[rooster007]

Sorry about the purple ,but i could not resist.
I do work for a union.
I'm glad that I have someone to watch my back.
No I don't agree with the union political contributions.
No I don't agree with the corporate political contributions.
I am proud that my department just achieved 20 years accident free.
I am a registered republican. No I'm not happy with the crap they have pasted last year here in Indiana.
I payed $19,000 in state and federal taxes last year.
I pay for my own retirement. No company contributions.
I do believe in a honest dollar for honest days work.
No I don't work for the Auto industry.


Getting rid of the Unions is not the answer. Thats what this bill will do , does anyone remember what happened up at Delphi several years ago. That is what will happen to every union job in Indiana

Folks , there are good and bad employees/employers in every trade/business out there.

This bill threatens my ability to support my family .



Just random thoughts

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I didn't say it would be mass chaos. BUT When the unions are all gone you will all be making minimun wages. None of these companies pay good wages because they are good guys. They have been forced to by the unions. Non-union shops in the past raise their wages to keep their workers from leaving for a union job(competing) The question you should ask yourself is " Why do the Unions give their money to the democrats? Why? The unions are merely groups of workers who have banded together. Question 2 " Why do republicans give their money to the(management) Corporations? Question3 Why do you seem to side with management instead of the workers??

I have always been baffled at how the poorest states seem to be red(REPUBLICAN). You know Indiana, Mississsipi Some of the poorer states. Why would poor people vote for republicans. Never could figure that one out. Now ,I think I have. States that have strong unions are usually Democratic. States that don't are not only poorer but are red(republican)
Yes if we get a right to work law here ,there may be a few companies looking for cheap labor move here. Thats what we need ,more minimun wage jobs. Pretty soon everybody will be on food stamps. When you go to work full time and still are considered below the poverty level and collect food stamps from the govt, that is corporate welfare. The minumin wage should be high enough so a person is not working full time and still need gov't help. That is like the gov't paying the differenc in your low wage which the Employuer should be paying.Another case of us taxpayers subsudising the rich.The republicans kill the unions and put everyone on food stamps and blame Obama while lining the pockets of the rich. Wake up and think about whats happening instead of acting like a tape recorder and repeating the crap your being feed.

This is an interesting comment and I'm surprised no one else has called you on it yet. Michigan has been a Democratic-controlled state for 30 years or more. How's their economy doing? Let's look at Democrat-controlled Illinois. How's their economy? How about California? New York State? (NYC may be doing well, but the northern part of the state - which basically supports NYC - has been in almost a depression since 2005). Wisconsin was looking at massive layoffs until the Republicans took over and cut government spending - and by the way, forced union government employees (teachers and state workers) to start paying for SOME of their health benefits and retirement. Which is sort of how we got to this argument in the first place. I think if you look, you'll find that Blue States tend to be in worse economic shape than Red States. If you look at major cities that are Democrat-controlled you will see that they tend to be on the verge of bankruptcy more often than not, unless they're getting massive infusions of Federal dollars - and often, even then.

 

[Roadie]

Sorry about the purple ,but i could not resist.
I do work for a union.
I'm glad that I have someone to watch my back.
No I don't agree with the union political contributions.
No I don't agree with the corporate political contributions.
I am proud that my department just achieved 20 years accident free.
I am a registered republican. No I'm not happy with the crap they have pasted last year here in Indiana.
I payed $19,000 in state and federal taxes last year.
I pay for my own retirement. No company contributions.
I do believe in a honest dollar for honest days work.
No I don't work for the Auto industry.


Getting rid of the Unions is not the answer. Thats what this bill will do , does anyone remember what happened up at Delphi several years ago. That is what will happen to every union job in Indiana

Folks , there are good and bad employees/employers in every trade/business out there.

This bill threatens my ability to support my family .



Just random thoughts

How exactly would this Bill do that? How will giving OTHER employees a choice, threaten YOUR ability to support your family, when YOU obviously would choose to stay in the Union?

 

[88GT]

Getting rid of the Unions is not the answer. Thats what this bill will do , does anyone remember what happened up at Delphi several years ago. That is what will happen to every union job in Indiana

Folks , there are good and bad employees/employers in every trade/business out there.

This bill threatens my ability to support my family .



Just random thoughts

As RTW doesn't eliminate unions or the right to bargain collectively/organize, I fail to see how any of your assumptions are valid.

However, if the employee's ability to forego the union results in an increase in non-union employment across the board, that should tell you something about the relative value of the union labor versus its costs. If someone else is willing to accept less compensation for the job, where do you think you have the right to tell him he can't because it affects your ability to demand/extort it from the employer?

 

[Caleb]

Sorry about the purple ,but i could not resist.
I do work for a union.
I'm glad that I have someone to watch my back.
No I don't agree with the union political contributions.
No I don't agree with the corporate political contributions.
I am proud that my department just achieved 20 years accident free.
I am a registered republican. No I'm not happy with the crap they have pasted last year here in Indiana.
I payed $19,000 in state and federal taxes last year.
I pay for my own retirement. No company contributions.
I do believe in a honest dollar for honest days work.
No I don't work for the Auto industry.


Getting rid of the Unions is not the answer. Thats what this bill will do , does anyone remember what happened up at Delphi several years ago. That is what will happen to every union job in Indiana

Folks , there are good and bad employees/employers in every trade/business out there.

This bill threatens my ability to support my family .



Just random thoughts

Union ain't going anywhere when this bill gets passed, only thing it's going to change is union won't be able to force me to join a union to work at that particular place of employment. I really don't see why the democrats and unions are throwing such a fit that not going to affect them very much.

 

[Roadie]

As RTW doesn't eliminate unions or the right to bargain collectively/organize, I fail to see how any of your assumptions are valid.

However, if the employee's ability to forego the union results in an increase in non-union employment across the board, that should tell you something about the relative value of the union labor versus its costs. If someone else is willing to accept less compensation for the job, where do you think you have the right to tell him he can't because it affects your ability to demand/extort it from the employer?

Exactly. ...and as I said earlier:

Please prove how someone having a choice equals destroying Unions. or, are you saying that unless people are FORCED to join a Union, they wont? So, people are too stupid to know whats good for them and we need to Government to tell us what to do?

Scary thought eh?

 

[Classic]

I assume that unions still exist in "Right to Work" states. Correct?

 

[rooster007]

I neither demand or extort anything from my employer . It was a mutual agreement as to the compensation and the work expected .

But ......it will happen . Jobs that use to pay $25 @ hr , will disappear , and reappear at $12.50 @hr and the cost of the goods they produce will not decrease in price......Watch and see.

I realize that there are a bunch of folks out there that are under the misconceptions , that most union jobs pay some kind of crazy outragous amounts of money and everyone that works for a union is some kind of lazy good for nothing piece of crap that works one out of eight hours. Sorry if your misinformed.
My job pays real world industry average

 

[UncleMike]

Union ain't going anywhere when this bill gets passed, only thing it's going to change is union won't be able to force me to join a union to work at that particular place of employment. I really don't see why the democrats and unions are throwing such a fit that not going to affect them very much.

It'll affect them a great deal.
It means that they won't have the [STRIKE]Union dues [/STRIKE]extortion money that they rely on to grease the wheels of the Democratic Parties Socialist bus.

 

[88GT]

I neither demand or extort anything from my employer . It was a mutual agreement as to the compensation and the work expected .

But ......it will happen . Jobs that use to pay $25 @ hr , will disappear , and reappear at $12.50 @hr and the cost of the goods they produce will not decrease in price......Watch and see.

I realize that there are a bunch of folks out there that are under the misconceptions , that most union jobs pay some kind of crazy outragous amounts of money and everyone that works for a union is some kind of lazy good for nothing piece of crap that works one out of eight hours. Sorry if your misinformed.
My job pays real world industry average

Point of order: negotiations based on the threat of coercion or use of force to disrupt lawful actions or compel unlawful ones are extortion.

Now, IF wages go down, it will only be because the "prevailing" wages are artificially inflated, supported by nothing more than the extorted, non-competitive labor providers that demand it.

The only misconception taking place is the one wherein union employees think that negotiated wages are representative of free market labor costs. If you can't command a particular wage without threats, you aren't worth it. Period.

 

[OneBadV8]

I neither demand or extort anything from my employer . It was a mutual agreement as to the compensation and the work expected .

But ......it will happen . Jobs that use to pay $25 @ hr , will disappear , and reappear at $12.50 @hr and the cost of the goods they produce will not decrease in price......Watch and see.

I realize that there are a bunch of folks out there that are under the misconceptions , that most union jobs pay some kind of crazy outragous amounts of money and everyone that works for a union is some kind of lazy good for nothing piece of crap that works one out of eight hours. Sorry if your misinformed.
My job pays real world industry average

There are lazy people in unions. That doesn't mean everyone is lazy though. I was in the United Steel Workers for a while and I worked twice as hard as the guy next to me for the same wage.

Right to work doesn't mean they'll fire you though, just new people can choose to join or not join. Right now its sort of a Monopoly for the union. With RTW the Unions will have to make it worth your while for you to join, therefore making the Unions work harder for you and more efficiently.

 

[flagtag]

I assume that unions still exist in "Right to Work" states. Correct?

Correct.

 

[rooster007]

Point of order: negotiations based on the threat of coercion or use of force to disrupt lawful actions or compel unlawful ones are extortion.

Now, IF wages go down, it will only be because the "prevailing" wages are artificially inflated, supported by nothing more than the extorted, non-competitive labor providers that demand it.

The only misconception taking place is the one wherein union employees think that negotiated wages are representative of free market labor costs. If you can't command a particular wage without threats, you aren't worth it. Period.

I left my previous employer(non-union) 7 years ago and went to work for my current employer (union) it was a lateral pay move !

 

[hooky]

I left my previous employer(non-union) 7 years ago and went to work for my current employer (union) it was a lateral pay move !

Then why are you excited about paying union dues?

 

[Caleb]

It'll affect them a great deal.
It means that they won't have the [STRIKE]Union dues [/STRIKE]extortion money that they rely on to grease the wheels of the Democratic Parties Socialist bus.

aside from that...