Right to Work Bill

[hunter]

I am a retired union worker and still have to pay dues until I am 65 for what, So I can be called a life time member. RTW YES.

 

[hunter]

As a union member for 35 years I have found out that they could care less about you, When I needed them I was left out to dry.

 

[hunter]

When you need the unions help, Where are they.

 

[other guy]

The numbers I have seen lists that between 90-98% of the money the International Brotherhood of Teamsters donates to politicians goes to democrats.

Which puts me and others like me in the situation of either quit my job (that I had before it was even union) lose my pension, or keep being forced to give money to a political party I am 100% against.

And that is why I support right to work!

Well pal, it looks like you are going to get your wish. It looks like it is going to pass. Which means, you will be definitally losing that pension. I mean look around you, if you are not working for a union, you don't have a pension. All you have is Social Security to look foward to. O yeah, If the republicans have their way, that will be gone. You people need to get you head out.

 

[hooky]

Well pal, it looks like you are going to get your wish. It looks like it is going to pass. Which means, you will be definitally losing that pension. I mean look around you, if you are not working for a union, you don't have a pension. All you have is Social Security to look foward to. O yeah, If the republicans have their way, that will be gone. You people need to get you head out.

I'm not union and I have more to look forward to than Social Security. None of my brothers (real actual family ones) are union and they have other options.

I probably still have my card somewhere from when I was forced to join a union. Even summer help had to pay dues, without any benefit from the union. My dad's pension, thanks to his "strong" union is a whopping $186/month. let go 1 week before his 25 years and no help from them. He had a plan B though and so should everyone else.

My head is out of the sand.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Some people are saying that unions have outlived their usefulness. I disagree for two reasons: 1- These things tend to be cyclic. At some point, businesses may revert to the type of over-controlling, unsafe-working-conditions, cut-expenses-to-increase-the-bottom-line monsters that caused unions to come into existence in the first place. Then unions will experience a resurgence and again fulfill their original purpose.

Until that time we always have: 2 - the worst of them serve as bad examples of what happens when you let gangsters and thugs run an organization; you get corruption, intimidation, violence, and crooked politicians.

 

[other guy]

The numbers I have seen lists that between 90-98% of the money the International Brotherhood of Teamsters donates to politicians goes to democrats.

Which puts me and others like me in the situation of either quit my job (that I had before it was even union) lose my pension, or keep being forced to give money to a political party I am 100% against.

And that is why I support right to work!

Look , I can't speak to your union as I don't know where or what you do so can only speak in general terms. A union is merely a group of workers who have banded together to negeotiate with the employer as a group. You say you had your job before it was a union. that means a majority of the workers voted to become unionized. In this country majority rules. If you don't like it you can leave. There is a reason why unions give money to democrats. You ever wonder why they do that. BECAUSE, democrats favor laws which are benificial to workers. Democrats tend to look out for the working class people. ON THE OTHER HAND, Guess who tends to contribute to big business? The Republicans. Its OK for your bosses(THE CORPORATIONS you work for) to contribute to the republicans who are looking out for their interest, (and they don't ask you if thats OK) But its not Ok for the unions to contribute to look after your interest? You need to figure out which side your on. Do you side with your boss or do you side with your fellow workers. I caN GO ON and on but I know you will not hear anything I say so, I'll finish with, Once the unions are gone, there is no one left looking out for you, Its you alone looking at the boss. Guess who wins that one

 

[CarmelHP]

Democrats look out for the power of union bosses, not workers. The Dems were knee deep into giving ...and getting...money to and from Wall Street, Big Bankers and Big Insurance. What did they do for workers except dig their hands farther into worker pockets and blather some socialist soak-the-rich rhetoric. I can't believe the nonsense that comes from union parrots.

 

[Stschil]

Well pal, it looks like you are going to get your wish. It looks like it is going to pass. Which means, you will be definitally losing that pension. I mean look around you, if you are not working for a union, you don't have a pension. All you have is Social Security to look foward to. O yeah, If the republicans have their way, that will be gone. You people need to get you head out.

Fo'Sho! The Unions have been such wonderful stewards of their memberships' pension funds. We should demand this bill be tables forever.

pensions fraud | The Weekly Standard

Head of Chicago pension fund tried to collect an unearned union pension - Page 2 - WGN

Teamsters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Union leader draws lucrative pension perk based on false information - Chicago Tribune

 

[gvbcraig]

Also, if the state law makers wanted to do something to actually help us then they would strengthen workers rights laws so that people could at least feel some security in their jobs without the need for a union.

What security do I have as an employer? I pay people what they are worth, sometimes more, I invest in training them to be the best in their field, what protects me from them leaving and taking the knowledge I paid for and competing against me in the open market. 3 of my biggest competitors were once my employees. I wish them the best of luck and continue with what I do, but no one protects my investment.

So I am not sure how you make people more secure in their jobs with out allowing the employer to be secure with the people he hires.

 

[gvbcraig]

Well pal, it looks like you are going to get your wish. It looks like it is going to pass. Which means, you will be definitally losing that pension. I mean look around you, if you are not working for a union, you don't have a pension. All you have is Social Security to look foward to. O yeah, If the republicans have their way, that will be gone. You people need to get you head out.

So who is paying for your pension? I don't have one, when I quit working, I quit working, I'm not relying others to pay for me and I am not a burden on any company or employer. Just like all of the teachers pensions that we are paying for as taxpayers....that is why our country is going broke. Too many pigs at the trough and no one will be left to fill it.

 

[Roadie]

Look , I can't speak to your union as I don't know where or what you do so can only speak in general terms. A union is merely a group of workers who have banded together to negeotiate with the employer as a group. You say you had your job before it was a union. that means a majority of the workers voted to become unionized. In this country majority rules. If you don't like it you can leave. There is a reason why unions give money to democrats. You ever wonder why they do that. BECAUSE, democrats favor laws which are benificial to workers. Democrats tend to look out for the working class people. ON THE OTHER HAND, Guess who tends to contribute to big business? The Republicans. Its OK for your bosses(THE CORPORATIONS you work for) to contribute to the republicans who are looking out for their interest, (and they don't ask you if thats OK) But its not Ok for the unions to contribute to look after your interest? You need to figure out which side your on. Do you side with your boss or do you side with your fellow workers. I caN GO ON and on but I know you will not hear anything I say so, I'll finish with, Once the unions are gone, there is no one left looking out for you, Its you alone looking at the boss. Guess who wins that one

In Indiana less than 20% of all employees are Union, so you are saying that 80% of the employees in Indiana have "no one left to look out for them"?

So the Federal and State worker's rights and protection laws don't work?
People can't stand up for themselves and NEED someone else to do it for them?
Really?

Edit: Correction, 10.9% are Union. So the other 89.1% of workers have no protection and can't look out for themselves, and even IF those 10.9% ALL lost their Unions, it would be mass chaos? Sorry, does not compute.

 

[other guy]

In Indiana less than 20% of all employees are Union, so you are saying that 80% of the employees in Indiana have "no one left to look out for them"?

So the Federal and State worker's rights and protection laws don't work?
People can't stand up for themselves and NEED someone else to do it for them?
Really?

Edit: Correction, 10.9% are Union. So the other 89.1% of workers have no protection and can't look out for themselves, and even IF those 10.9% ALL lost their Unions, it would be mass chaos? Sorry, does not compute.

I didn't say it would be mass chaos. BUT When the unions are all gone you will all be making minimun wages. None of these companies pay good wages because they are good guys. They have been forced to by the unions. Non-union shops in the past raise their wages to keep their workers from leaving for a union job(competing) The question you should ask yourself is " Why do the Unions give their money to the democrats? Why? The unions are merely groups of workers who have banded together. Question 2 " Why do republicans give their money to the(management) Corporations? Question3 Why do you seem to side with management instead of the workers??

I have always been baffled at how the poorest states seem to be red(REPUBLICAN). You know Indiana, Mississsipi Some of the poorer states. Why would poor people vote for republicans. Never could figure that one out. Now ,I think I have. States that have strong unions are usually Democratic. States that don't are not only poorer but are red(republican)
Yes if we get a right to work law here ,there may be a few companies looking for cheap labor move here. Thats what we need ,more minimun wage jobs. Pretty soon everybody will be on food stamps. When you go to work full time and still are considered below the poverty level and collect food stamps from the govt, that is corporate welfare. The minumin wage should be high enough so a person is not working full time and still need gov't help. That is like the gov't paying the differenc in your low wage which the Employuer should be paying.Another case of us taxpayers subsudising the rich.The republicans kill the unions and put everyone on food stamps and blame Obama while lining the pockets of the rich. Wake up and think about whats happening instead of acting like a tape recorder and repeating the crap your being feed.

 

[jason765]

If you dont want to pay union dues dont apply with a unionized company, but bring on right to work, bring on the union busting, bring on the paycuts, bring on the foreclosures, and another tank in the economy. Everyone wants to talk about the unions supporting democrats, but what about the companies supporting the republicans. My union job and negotiated wages allow me to provide for my family while my wife goes to school, most of you have nothing to lose or gain with right to work but it is a threat to my family and our future, poverty here we come. Hopefully they saved us some food stamps and welfare.

 

[Roadie]

I didn't say it would be mass chaos. BUT When the unions are all gone you will all be making minimun wages. None of these companies pay good wages because they are good guys. They have been forced to by the unions. Non-union shops in the past raise their wages to keep their workers from leaving for a union job(competing) The question you should ask yourself is " Why do the Unions give their money to the democrats? Why? The unions are merely groups of workers who have banded together. Question 2 " Why do republicans give their money to the(management) Corporations? Question3 Why do you seem to side with management instead of the workers??

I have always been baffled at how the poorest states seem to be red(REPUBLICAN). You know Indiana, Mississsipi Some of the poorer states. Why would poor people vote for republicans. Never could figure that one out. Now ,I think I have. States that have strong unions are usually Democratic. States that don't are not only poorer but are red(republican)
Yes if we get a right to work law here ,there may be a few companies looking for cheap labor move here. Thats what we need ,more minimun wage jobs. Pretty soon everybody will be on food stamps. When you go to work full time and still are considered below the poverty level and collect food stamps from the govt, that is corporate welfare. The minumin wage should be high enough so a person is not working full time and still need gov't help. That is like the gov't paying the differenc in your low wage which the Employuer should be paying.Another case of us taxpayers subsudising the rich.The republicans kill the unions and put everyone on food stamps and blame Obama while lining the pockets of the rich. Wake up and think about whats happening instead of acting like a tape recorder and repeating the crap your being feed.

Pot, meet kettle. You are just regurgitating Union talking points, without a single shred of evidence to back it up. The Bill allows a choice to join a Union or not (I thought all you Libs were big on Choice?). Please prove how someone having a choice equals destroying Unions. or, are you saying that unless people are FORCED to join a Union, they wont? So, people are too stupid to know whats good for them and we need to Government to tell us what to do? The same Liberal politicians, btw, that think they know better when it comes to our guns?

You also ignored the stats in my post, completely. Let me ask it a different way..

If 10.9% of ALL worked in Indiana are Union, and we ended up losing ALL Unions(which is NOT the intent of this Bill, btw) then how exactly is:

When the unions are all gone you will all be making minimun wages.

..a true statement??

How would 10.9% off Indiana workers becoming non Union, cause the 89.1% of workers in Indiana to suddenly (or even eventually) be reduced to minimum wage??

What you propose is statistically impossible.

 

[flagtag]

First of all - there is not a whole lot of difference between the Democrats & Republicans in anything. And have you noticed that the "Blue" states are the most corrupt? (Illinois)

Why is it that everyone talks about low wages and the economy, but NEVER about the high cost of living? If the cost of utilities would be at a reasonable level, we wouldn't need higher wages. Every time someone gets a raise, the cost of living goes up also. But, no one wants to go after Obama's buddy (Emelt) (sp) and get the power/gas prices lowered. And the high cost of medical care is due primarily to the illegals not paying anything. (Yes, they pass the cost of their care onto paying customers.)Get rid of the illegals (or deny them "free" benefits) and ALL costs will go down. And that has nothing to do with unions. Just corruption in government.

The only thing unions care about are the union dues - NOT the members! (Have you noticed that those higher up in the unions live "high on the hog"? Jetsetting around, hobnobbing with the rich? (Eg: Politicians) They are doing it with OUR money!)

Maybe one day, they will be useful again, but not today.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Look , I can't speak to your union as I don't know where or what you do so can only speak in general terms. A union is merely a group of workers who have banded together to negeotiate with the employer as a group.

SNIP

You as employee's banded together to join a union, you as employee's DID NOT directly negotiate with the employer.

It was the fat boys in the leather chairs and fancy offices and all those other perks that did it.

It was also the take it or leave we'll walk out and hurt you approach that blackmailed the employer to bend to your demands.


Now here's a little thing you need to ask your union about your union dues.

Have them give you an exact breakdown where every penny goes to, you will be surprised on how little is kept, and how much is going to people run the union.

 

[IndyBeerman]

I didn't say it would be mass chaos. BUT When the unions are all gone you will all be making minimun wages. None of these companies pay good wages because they are good guys. They have been forced to by the unions. Non-union shops in the past raise their wages to keep their workers from leaving for a union job(competing)

I hate to break the news to you, but it's not unions that keep wages up, it's the competition for above average workers that keep them up.

If your above argument was correct, then union jobs would be growing, not shrinking over the years.

Some of the most unproductive workers that have ever worked, worked for a union. Now I'm not saying all union jobs are like this, but there is a vast amount of them.

The question you should ask yourself is " Why do the Unions give their money to the democrats? Why? The unions are merely groups of workers who have banded together.

Incorrect, the union is a bloated top heavy organization that supports democrats because they are willing to take the money and do anything for the unions to keep the money rolling in.

10.9 percent of the people are unionized, so 11 people out of 100 control what is dictated to them by their money grabbing union supplied funding.
Not really a democratic process is it.

Question 2 " Why do republicans give their money to the(management) Corporations?

Got something that shows this?

Question3 Why do you seem to side with management instead of the workers??
I have always been baffled at how the poorest states seem to be red(REPUBLICAN). You know Indiana, Mississsipi Some of the poorer states. Why would poor people vote for republicans. Never could figure that one out. Now ,I think I have. States that have strong unions are usually Democratic. States that don't are not only poorer but are red(republican)
Yes if we get a right to work law here ,there may be a few companies looking for cheap labor move here. Thats what we need ,more minimun wage jobs. Pretty soon everybody will be on food stamps. When you go to work full time and still are considered below the poverty level and collect food stamps from the govt, that is corporate welfare. The minumin wage should be high enough so a person is not working full time and still need gov't help. That is like the gov't paying the differenc in your low wage which the Employuer should be paying.Another case of us taxpayers subsudising the rich.The republicans kill the unions and put everyone on food stamps and blame Obama while lining the pockets of the rich. Wake up and think about whats happening instead of acting like a tape recorder and repeating the crap your being feed.

You want the minimum wage increases so a person should not have to, "be high enough so a person is not working full time and still need gov't help" as you put it.

How about this, all those high paying union jobs you keep talking about should start working for lower wages so that money can be shared with the lower earning minions out there. Wait a second, that's already been done...

Guess what that is...... SOCIALISM

Have a nice day.

BTW, when younger I was in a local Teamsters Union, and no matter how much the union members complained to the union, every time we seen them leave our business they was carrying hats, shirts and other things to probably hide the money they got slid to ignore everything.

 

[KLB]

Funny. I haven't worked for minimum wage since I first started working, yet I have never been in a Union. My employer gives me a raise each year according to how well I perform my duties. Even if the unions disappeared my income would not change. I also have a 401k and a company retirement plan with the company I am with.

 

[88GT]

I can't imagine any career politician (did a quick google search on Pat Bauer) would ever make such a brazen statement out in the open. That's the sort of thing that makes great political hay. If he's been around for that long, I'd think he's much to savvy to say something like that where it could be heard and used against him in the future.

Of course, I hardly know anything about him, or the political atmosphere in Indianapolis, but that just sounds fishy. Then again I am 1000 miles away in a state where Democrats could eat the children in the inner city and they'd still be welcomed with open arms to dinner.

Bauer says stupid crap like that all the time. But he usually does a better job of disguising the implications by using choice words and phrases. When the useful idiots here the phrase, they cease thinking about it in the context of the rest of his comments. Kinda like "hope and change" worked for Obama. I would expect him to think something like the statement attributed to him, but he's too politically savvy for the most part to be so transparent about it.

Well pal, it looks like you are going to get your wish. It looks like it is going to pass. Which means, you will be definitally losing that pension. I mean look around you, if you are not working for a union, you don't have a pension. All you have is Social Security to look foward to. O yeah, If the republicans have their way, that will be gone. You people need to get you head out.

Have you not heard of retirement accounts? 401Ks. IRAs. Or my personal favorite, real estate.

There's no difference in your position than anybody else's except that you admit to putting all your eggs in one basket that somebody else controls. Who's the irrational one in this scenario?