Right to Work Bill

[Stschil]

I thought maybe he injured his hands patting himself on the back.

Is that anything like the rash of stress fractures and ankle sprains occurring in the State House caused by Jumping to Conclusions and Dodging the Issues?

 

[UncleMike]

Is that anything like the rash of stress fractures and ankle sprains occurring in the State House caused by Jumping to Conclusions and Dodging the Issues?

Yup!!
You forgot Running In Circles, Running Off At The Mouth, and Running Away From Responsibility
That's the Official Democratic/Liberal Exercise Program.

 

[localone]

How do you know the pay cut is even related to the RTW bill? I took a 5% pay cut 2 years ago due to the downturn in the economy. We lost our 401k match. We as a company had went from as high as 5,000 full time and temp employees down to less than 1,000 full time employees. We are now steadily growning with many more full time and temp employees. We got our 5% back last July and our 401k match back this month. We also got our tuition reimbursement back as well. We are a non union factory.

That's what he was told but his dispatch manager. I wasn't there and have no knowledge of his type of work. That's just what he told my wife

 

[Blackhawk2001]

OK ROADIE, CALEB, do you know what happens if the union I work for decides to strike .... guess what you don't have any food in the grocery stores in three days. Other that want is grow local. Do you have what is nessasary to sustain your family. At the turn of the century there wer on average of 110,000 railroad deaths @ year that were killed in work related accidents , YES 1 HUNDRED AND 10 THOUSAND PLUS. Now please argue that.

Sounds like you're a railroader. Nice gig! My dad worked for the Illinois Central Railroad for 35 years. Luckily the railroad put his money into the Railroad Retirement Fund because the IC is no more. Typical example of railroad unions, though. The summer between my junior and senior years of high school (1968) I worked as a Locomotive Fireman - a featherbedding job the unions insisted upon when railroads went from steam to diesel-electric locomotives. My entire duty consisted of staying awake during my shift. Great gig for me, but a waste of money for the railroad. I'm sure that's not the only reason they went out of business, but labor costs are generally the largest expense to any company's costs of doing business. It's one reason why the railroads had to contract (get smaller) and consolidate in order to survive, even though, as you said, they still move most of the heavy freight in the nation. Union costs, like the costs of the Steelworkers' Union, and the United Autoworkers, along with generous pension and medical benefits and an aging population have caused major problems for the companies which employ them and it's a reason why such industries have moved out of the country or have made moves to divest themselves of union workers - the unions have priced themselves out of the world market.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Oh because the "union mafia" forced your shop to go union. As opposed to talking to your fellow workers. Giving them info and letting them make their own choice. You have your right to oppose it.

You do realize, don't you, that your union buddies have been trying to get "Card Check" passed into law? The law that lets unions see who voted against unionizing a workplace? Why would they want such a law unless they planned to "convince" people to vote their way next time? BTW, my father-in-law was a Steelworker in Chicago, so don't try to tell me that's not the way unions operate; I know better.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

If the rtw bill passes which it look like it will I'm wondering if anyone will post into the threads when there insurance and pensions are taken away by the companies there working for. This country is big enough for unions and non unions to exist. The pay will go down for employees of both union and non union that is a given. My father in law was already informed there pay will be going down $2 per hour and they will no longer be offered company insurance so he's been looking into private health care which he can't afford. And he is a non union trick driver. I wonder if the national healthcare will come into play next.

What insurance? ObamaCare is rapidly forcing the insurance companies out of the market (along with increased costs for "mandatory" procedures to appease Big Medicine's lawyers). That's the whole point of ObamaCare, to force single-payer European socialist-style medicine on us. But let's save that issue for another thread.

 

[IndyBeerman]

you have to think deeper in the supply chain . if we go on strike your president get involved , assignes a committee and get it resolved

Sorry about your false preception that he will get involved.
That only happens when it involves the ENTIRE country, there is no food union manufacter/distributor/trucking company that would effect the country that bad.

Now if you're working for a union Trucking company, hate to break the news to you, there are way more independant/contract truckers out there.

 

[Stschil]

Yup!!
You forgot Running In Circles, Running Off At The Mouth, and Running Away From Responsibility
That's the Official Democratic/Liberal Exercise Program.

Ive heard of it. Kind of like Tae Bo, except all the kicks and punches are done from the rear of the opponents when they aren't looking.
I thinks is called Cry BHO. Involves a bunch of Twisting of facts, Bending over backwards for the UN, Laying blame on others, Kicking back and Handing out.

 

[UncleMike]

Ive heard of it. Kind of like Tae Bo, except all the kicks and punches are done from the rear of the opponents when they aren't looking.
I thinks is called Cry BHO. Involves a bunch of Twisting of facts, Bending over backwards for the UN, Laying blame on others, Kicking back and Handing out.

Ya know......
The Dems/Libs ought to be prime specimens of Physical Fitness with all of that exercise.....

 

[Caleb]

Anybody find it funny how he keeps arguing in defense of unions after being proved wrong? Do they know when to stop?




Umm, no

 

[singlestacksig]

Companies are dropping insurance because costs have been climbing for years..

I think unions have a place in the labor world, but some unions may have become to large & bloated for their own good..
one thing RTW will allow is to let workers leave a union that is not working for them, without having to quit their job.. And they could band together and make a new union...

As far as wages dropping & Union busting? it is going on with out RTW.. Compaines are going bankrupt if the union does not agree to a pay cut.. I personally know of 2 companies here in Indiana that drove themselves into the ground to get out of union contracts.. and the new company then hires non union workers..

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Companies are dropping insurance because costs have been climbing for years..

I think unions have a place in the labor world, but some unions may have become to large & bloated for their own good..
one thing RTW will allow is to let workers leave a union that is not working for them, without having to quit their job.. And they could band together and make a new union...

As far as wages dropping & Union busting? it is going on with out RTW.. Compaines are going bankrupt if the union does not agree to a pay cut.. I personally know of 2 companies here in Indiana that drove themselves into the ground to get out of union contracts.. and the new company then hires non union workers..

While I was in commercial aviation, I watched three separate airlines file for bankruptcy because the unions were pricing them out of the market. Eastern Airlines was the first, then Alaska Airlines, then Continental Airlines. Of course, when Continental went bankrupt, the reconstituted company allowed a friend of mine to achieve a lifelong dream - without a lot of jet time, he managed to get a non-union pilot job at Continental.

 

[Stschil]

Ya know......
The Dems/Libs ought to be prime specimens of Physical Fitness with all of that exercise.....

They are! Didn't see the rack on Barney Franks??

 

[Doug]

A union guy from Oklahoma was just on the news. He said in 2000 20% of Oklahoma children were on government assistance, that in 2010 it was 40% and some Oklahoma official said it would soon be 60%.
I believe this says more about the expansion of assistance programs than anything else.

He didn't mention the average income.
He didn't mention the employment or unemployment rates.
He didn't mention whether unions had increased or decreased in number.
He didn't mention total wages paid to workers in Oklahoma.

I believe he would have reported on the above factors IF they supported his position. Since he didn't, I assume those factors indicate Right to Work is a good thing.

 

[threefiftyfour]

A union guy from Oklahoma was just on the news. He said in 2000 20% of Oklahoma children were on government assistance, that in 2010 it was 40% and some Oklahoma official said it would soon be 60%.
I believe this says more about the expansion of assistance programs than anything else.

He didn't mention the average income.
He didn't mention the employment or unemployment rates.
He didn't mention whether unions had increased or decreased in number.
He didn't mention total wages paid to workers in Oklahoma.

I believe he would have reported on the above factors IF they supported his position. Since he didn't, I assume those factors indicate Right to Work is a good thing.

I know someone in a union in OK, and he makes almost per hour what I make per day when he works Sunday. But, he is the union president, he works when the rest are on strike, when they have no work, when they are on shutdown... He is doing very well, the rest, not so much. I do love how people "forget" to tell the whole story. (and for full disclosure, he is married to my ex, and no amount of money can make that a good deal...)

 

[Cerberus]

You guys are giving unions more credit than they deserve. Union Employees make up 11 to 12% of the work force. of that 8% are government employees.

I read a study last week that says the income difference between a RTW state V's the opposite the is less than 1200.00 a year.

So basically $100 a month. And non-union employees have no forced union dues, so the gap narrows.

 

[UncleMike]

They are! Didn't see the rack on Barney Franks??

 

[Rocket]

Pass Right to work Please!! Having been a union man and non union as well as a business owner I can say that Unions were needed at one time in our history. Not so much any more. True personal story.. Working for a company that had an apprenticeship program and was union. They lied and told the union I had been there a year so they put me in the union after a month. I was paying full dues but not getting full pay. Later the same company was not paying me for all the hours worked. When I asked the other employees about it they fired me. And made up a crap story that I was cheating my time slips. They lied. I had copies. So I trot on down to my Local and look for help. After waiting an hour trying to get someones attention. I was let in and got to see my BA. I showed him my termination letter as well as my copies of my time slips. He said they wouldn't help me. "It's too he said, he said" .

The NLRB back when it was worth a crap, Helped me for free and got me back and lost wages. Went to work for a competitor doing the same thing. The only reason they were union is that the employees were getting beat up on job sites so that they as a company would join.

Got a letter in 08 when economy tanked. From the union I was fully vested in but no longer a card carring member of. My retirement that I could not touch, move or gaain interest on was being taken by the union to pay for currant members because they lost so much money! If I tried that I would go to jail!

Unions are bad. Political Greed machines and should be eliminated. And yes this happened to me. No names were given so as to protect my family.

 

[Stschil]

I'll just leave this here

Big Labor Political Influence Does Not Make Union Bosses Labor Experts

Today, Heritage Foundation Senior Policy Analyst*James Sherk points out*pro-union supporters’ primary argument against right-to-work is legally groundless. He provides an example of Big Labor ignorance of labor law, citing District 7 United Steelworkers Director Jim Robinson as an example of Big Labor ignorance of labor law:

Under a right-to-work law, people could withdraw from the union and wouldn’t have to pay anything. But we are still obligated by federal law to represent them like we would represent a member.

Sherk counters Mr. Robinson’s argument, referencing a Supreme Court ruling and federal law.

Federal law does not obligate unions to represent non-members. The National Labor Relations Act allows unions to sign “members’ only” contracts that apply only to dues-paying members. This is legally uncontroversial. In 1938, the Supreme Court expressly upheld union’s ability to negotiate only on behalf of members. As William Gould, chairman of the NLRB under President Clinton, wrote, “the law now permits members-only bargaining for employees” — unions can exclude non-members from their contracts.

 

[goinggreyfast]

I was having this discussion with a lifelong friend who happens to be part of the union supporters (Most likely exempt from Obamacare BTW). I kept asking him for proof to back his claim and he sent me a link from Rachel Maddow talking head program. Seriously??? I told him that would be like me sending him a link to a Rush Limbaugh excerpt. He got all bent out of shape. But IMO, she's as far left as he is right. That logic does not make sense.

But I found this online the other day and while it is a lot to read, I think their approach is very scientific, their points are well made, and they show how they came about producing the statistics they presented. I suggest folk on both sides of the issue give it a read.

http://www.indianachamber.com/media/pdf/studies/IndianaRightToWork-1-27-11.pdf