RETURNING A FIREMARM - PROOF OF REGISTRATION?

[mjblazor]

I returned a faulty firearm to an LGS and received refund. I failed to confirm if the registered name on gun was changed? I will check with them but if they tell me they changed it how do i get proof of that?

 

[eldirector]

Registered name? What is that?

There is no registration in Indiana.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

THERE IS NO REGISTRATION in Indiana. You should have gotten a receipt from the LGS in exchange for the refund . THAT is proof that you returned it.

 

[Westside]

Registered name? What is that?

There is no registration in Indiana.

^^^^ What he said. There is no registration in this state.

 

[HoughMade]

There is no gun registration in Indiana. Likely, their books, the 4473, shows a transfer to you, and when they took it back, their books must again reflect that they got it back. This is not registration. Did you get any receipt or anything from them acknowledging that you returned the gun and got your money back? If so- good 'nuff.

 

[Colinb913]

I think the OP is referring to the warranty registration? Maybe? I dont know.

Ahh hell, INDIANA DOESNT HAVE A REGISTRATION

..Now I fit in, right?

 

[Hdfb03]

I think the OP is referring to the warranty registration? Maybe? I don't know.

Ahh hell, INDIANA DOESN'T HAVE A REGISTRATION

..Now I fit in, right?

This made me laugh, but just to clarify....I bought my pistol, did the background check with my social and everything, they wrote down the serial number on the background check I believe? So this doesn't mean that the gun is registered to my name?

 

[CTS]

This made me laugh, but just to clarify....I bought my pistol, did the background check with my social and everything, they wrote down the serial number on the background check I believe? So this doesn't mean that the gun is registered to my name?

The only place that keeps your name is the gun store. They'll show that they sold it to you and that you brought it back and then they did whatever they did with it, that's all.

 

[Colinb913]

This made me laugh, but just to clarify....I bought my pistol, did the background check with my social and everything, they wrote down the serial number on the background check I believe? So this doesn't mean that the gun is registered to my name?

Yes, you're correct, but that doesn't mean the gun is registered to you. For instance, if I wanted to sell you my rifle. You don't have to register it under your name, or register it at all.

That's why some people want a bill of sale at a FTF sale. So if that gun is used in a crime, and is tracked back to me, I could say "look officer, on this day I sold this gun to this man. Here is is drivers license and phone number." Granted you aren't legally obligated to do any of that. Just some guys do. Now, none of that will ever happen. But that's my example.

Personally, I don't do a bill of sale. Now, I may be wrong on some things, but I am sure a fellow INGO member will be along to clear that up.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

they wrote down the serial number on the background check I believe

No, your serial number was not mentioned when the FFL called West Virginia. Your serial number is written down on the 4473.

So this doesn't mean that the gun is registered to my name?

Correct. Registration is against federal law.

Some states require firearms registration (California, Hawaii, New Jersey, inter alia). Indiana does not.

Some cities in Indiana maintained voluntary registration for business firearms (bank or store guns, kept at a place of business) which was also utilitzed by a few gun collectors for insurance reasons.

 

[Colinb913]

Listen to Kirk, he knows his ****.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm confused, does Indiana have a registration?

The form 4473 isn't a registration, it's just a background check to is if you're legal to buy. It doesn't mean you did buy or ever own the firearm.

But, The dealer maintains a bound book - which may show the gun going to you then back to them, or have no record whatsoever. I don't know, but, either way, relax, you're good to go.

EDIT:
Is this the "scary ND" Walther?

 

[Hdfb03]

No, your serial number was not mentioned when the FFL called West Virginia. Your serial number is written down on the 4473.



Correct. Registration is against federal law.

Some states require firearms registration (California, Hawaii, New Jersey, inter alia). Indiana does not.

Some cities in Indiana maintained voluntary registration for business firearms (bank or store guns, kept at a place of business) which was also utilitzed by a few gun collectors for insurance reasons.

So then as of right now, the gun is not "registered" in my name? I apologize if I sound dumb, but like I said...still pretty new.

 

[purple72]

But, on the other side of the coin, that 4473 is kept with the LGS for 20 years. Sooo, registered or not, there is still a VERY good paper trail that puts your name to that gun. Although, as others have said, when it went from you, to back in their books, the next guy that bought it now has his name tied to it. Some see it as not registered, and yet others see it as registered. But no, Indiana has no "formal" registration. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. Save your return receipt if it helps you sleep better. Oh, and welcome to INGO.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So then as of right now, the gun is not "registered" in my name? I apologize if I sound dumb, but like I said...still pretty new.

Let us suspend common sense and now discuss the law.

1. Your pistol is not "registered" to you as a matter of law. I.e., you took your pistol to the poooooooleeeece and had the coppers write down the make, model, serial number and your name on a 3" by 5" card, oh and then you paid the $40 registration fee.

2. The Feds, in the form of F Troop, can find that you purchased the pistol.

Way that works: IMPD finds pistol, IMPD calls F Troop, F Troop calls factory or importer, factory gives distributor (e.g. RSR), distributor gives local gun shop (Jasper's Gun & Bait), gun shop consults bound book, gun shop gives F Troop your name and address.

 

[BlueEagle]

The only place that that gun and your name go together is on the 4473, which stays in your local gun shop for a minimum of 20 years.

If a court case comes up regarding you, that information can be subpoenaed, but otherwise it stays right where it is, accessible only to the gun shop employees.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

All this gets confusing because one hears Larry, Daryl and his other brother Cledus discuss that the pistol is "in his name" and thinks, well, television and the movies must be right and guns are registered like my car with the BMV.

What Larry, Daryl and Cledus are discussing at the Indy1500 is that one of them filled out the 4473 (the white form at Jasper's Gun & Bait).

 

[Kagnew]

Let us suspend common sense and now discuss the law.

1. Your pistol is not "registered" to you as a matter of law. I.e., you took your pistol to the poooooooleeeece and had the coppers write down the make, model, serial number and your name on a 3" by 5" card, oh and then you paid the $40 registration fee.

2. The Feds, in the form of F Troop, can find that you purchased the pistol.

Way that works: IMPD finds pistol, IMPD calls F Troop, F Troop calls factory or importer, factory gives distributor (e.g. RSR), distributor gives local gun shop (Jasper's Gun & Bait), gun shop consults bound book, gun shop gives F Troop your name and address.

But I've never done business with Jasper's Gun & Bait Shop. I'm so confused!

 

[giovani]

But lets say you have a situation, for lack of a better term we will call it the LUDCO situation and the lgs you deal with is not on the level.

He could resell the gun illegal like and it still shows in his books that you bought it.

Not to say that this could ever happen.

 

[PGRChaplain]

What Gun Store lets you return Firearms? MOst I've been in have sign's stating "All Firearms sales are Final, No Returns"