Rand Paul Announcing Run For The Presidential Nomination

[Cerberus]

I'm not outraged at all
I expect a politician to act like a politician. Others are expecting a libertarian messiah.
"Rand" is acting just like every other politician, taking a meaningless and pointless stance in front if the cameras that is popular with his base and fundraising off of it.

No "stand for liberty and freedom" just another politician fundraising

And what if you're wrong? After all he could be leading in the primary polls just by acting like you accuse him of. Freedom isn't popular with liberals or conservatives.

And you need to edit your signature, John Stuart Mills is not the father of modern libertarians.

 

[D-Ric902]

And you need to edit your signature, John Stuart Mills is not the father of modern libertarians.

argue with the OSU physics department, that's where the quote comes from.
Full quote
https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/Resources/essays/legal-drugs-No.html

 

[Cerberus]

argue with the OSU physics department, that's where the quote comes from.
Full quote
https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/Resources/essays/legal-drugs-No.html

I don't care what a bunch of liberals at OSU think. Why are you repeating it if you've not looked into the mans beliefs? Sure some of his stuff is in line with Libertarian thought, some of it way off. Probably be better off saying he was the father of feminism.

 

[D-Ric902]

I don't care what a bunch of liberals at OSU think. Why are you repeating it if you've not looked into the mans beliefs? Sure some of his stuff is in line with Libertarian thought, some of it way off. Probably be better off saying he was the father of feminism.

to continue the off topic portion off the thread


One of of you is wrong
One of the top physics professors in the country


or you




I pick you

 

[jamil]

to continue the off topic portion off the thread


One of of you is wrong
One of the top physics professors in the country


or you




I pick you

Because the qualifications for a political opinion are exactly the same as for a physics professor at Ohio State.

 

[D-Ric902]

Because the qualifications for a political opinion are exactly the same as for a physics professor at Ohio State.

Indication of a more informed and educated opinion than a username.
the disagreement wasn't with the quote but if J.S. Mill is the father of modern libertarianism. Most feel he is, some reject anyone that isn't in lockstep with their own view of Libertarianism

 

[Cerberus]

Indication of a more informed and educated opinion than a username.
the disagreement wasn't with the quote but if J.S. Mill is the father of modern libertarianism. Most feel he is, some reject anyone that isn't in lockstep with their own view of Libertarianism

How about you go read his theories about free markets, one of the key issues with all Libertarians, and see if he sounds like them. It has nothing to do with being lockstep with anyone, in fact Libertarians are excessively individualistic, more so than most conservatives. You can't even do your own research, as has been borne out from many of your postings, so why should anyone listen to a thing you say.

 

[mrjarrell]

Paul gave a pretty impassioned and well done speech this afternoon. Now if only the rest of the senate will listen to him and let it die, as it should.

[video=youtube_share;I3Iz19kkEzU]http://youtu.be/I3Iz19kkEzU[/video]

 

[jbombelli]

Good luck with that.

 

[jamil]

Some context:

And you need to edit your signature, John Stuart Mills is not the father of modern libertarians.

argue with the OSU physics department, that's where the quote comes from.
Full quote
https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/Resources/essays/legal-drugs-No.html

to continue the off topic portion off the thread


One of of you is wrong
One of the top physics professors in the country


or you




I pick you

Indication of a more informed and educated opinion than a username.
the disagreement wasn't with the quote but if J.S. Mill is the father of modern libertarianism. Most feel he is, some reject anyone that isn't in lockstep with their own view of Libertarianism

That's still just an appeal to--caugh--authority. But the liberal physics professor from OSU is either right or wrong because of the facts, not because he may be smarter than a 5th grader in physics (we are talking about OSU here). MGoBLUE!

Prof Buckeye claims that John Stewart Mills was the father of modern libertarianism without offering evidence that this is true. Is it true? Or are you accepting that it's true because his statement says what you want it to say? So, do you have evidence to support this? Can you show where prominent, mainstream libertarians assert JSM is the father of their ideology?

I decided to look for myself and, while prominent modern libertarians do seem to quote him, they tend to add disclaimers about his preference for utilitarianism. He advocated for liberty, but for utilitarian purposes. JSM felt that more people would be happier if government didn't control their lives. But in situations where he thought more people would be happier with government controls, he advocated for that. His priority was purely utilitarian--most happy people. His priority was not libertarian--maximum liberty possible.

So after looking into what mainline libertarians think of JSM, I've come to this conclusion. A physics professor who disagrees with libertarianism, arguing against a libertarian goal, quoted a feigned libertarian "Father" to make it sound like the libertarian doctrine against drug laws is at odds with its own founding principles.

You can believe what you want, but just because it's the statement you want it to be, doesn't make it a factual statement. So I have to agree with Ceberus on this.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You must be bored.

Some context:









That's still just an appeal to--caugh--authority. But the liberal physics professor from OSU is either right or wrong because of the facts, not because he may be smarter than a 5th grader in physics (we are talking about OSU here). MGoBLUE!

Prof Buckeye claims that John Stewart Mills was the father of modern libertarianism without offering evidence that this is true. Is it true? Or are you accepting that it's true because his statement says what you want it to say? So, do you have evidence to support this? Can you show where prominent, mainstream libertarians assert JSM is the father of their ideology?

I decided to look for myself and, while prominent modern libertarians do seem to quote him, they tend to add disclaimers about his preference for utilitarianism. He advocated for liberty, but for utilitarian purposes. JSM felt that more people would be happier if government didn't control their lives. But in situations where he thought more people would be happier with government controls, he advocated for that. His priority was purely utilitarian--most happy people. His priority was not libertarian--maximum liberty possible.

So after looking into what mainline libertarians think of JSM, I've come to this conclusion. A physics professor who disagrees with libertarianism, arguing against a libertarian goal, quoted a feigned libertarian "Father" to make it sound like the libertarian doctrine against drug laws is at odds with its own founding principles.

You can believe what you want, but just because it's the statement you want it to be, doesn't make it a factual statement. So I have to agree with Ceberus on this.

 

[jamil]

You must be bored.

Well I wrote a lot of words to an insignificant point for two reasons.

1) Yes, I'm bored and was trying to delay the dreadful trek through Da'Ville's speghetti junction this morning. In fact, I'm glad I saw your post because it allows me to write even more meaningless words to delay my journey yet another few moments.

2) I saw it as an excuse to get my digs in on that icky Ohio "school". I'm sure you've heard the tragic story of their library catching on fire. It destroyed both books. The loss was most devastating because one of the books almost had all of the pictures colored. But the worst tragedy was the loss to the OSU football teem. Several of their players perished in the blaze after they were stuck on the escalator when the escalator stopped during the power failure.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to make some coffee-to-go, and go.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Well I wrote a lot of words to an insignificant point for two reasons.

1) Yes, I'm bored and was trying to delay the dreadful trek through Da'Ville's speghetti junction this morning. In fact, I'm glad I saw your post because it allows me to write even more meaningless words to delay my journey yet another few moments.

2) I saw it as an excuse to get my digs in on that icky Ohio "school". I'm sure you've heard the tragic story of their library catching on fire. It destroyed both books. The loss was most devastating because one of the books almost had all of the pictures colored. But the worst tragedy was the loss to the OSU football teem. Several of their players perished in the blaze after they were stuck on the escalator when the escalator stopped during the power failure.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to make some coffee-to-go, and go.

Give me your boss' phone number and I'll cover for you until at least lunch, if you're wanting to go in late today.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Paul joins crusade to expose secret 9/11 documents | TheHill

 

[steveh_131]

I decided to look for myself and, while prominent modern libertarians do seem to quote him, they tend to add disclaimers about his preference for utilitarianism. He advocated for liberty, but for utilitarian purposes. JSM felt that more people would be happier if government didn't control their lives. But in situations where he thought more people would be happier with government controls, he advocated for that. His priority was purely utilitarian--most happy people. His priority was not libertarian--maximum liberty possible.

Well said.

 

[rambone]

A physics professor who disagrees with libertarianism, arguing against a libertarian goal, quoted a feigned libertarian "Father" to make it sound like the libertarian doctrine against drug laws is at odds with its own founding principles.

Wait... D-Ric isn't a physics professor...

 

[D-Ric902]

THE LIBERTARIANPHILOSOPHY OFJOHN STUART MILL
NICHOLASCAPALDI*Queens College
JOHN STUARTMILL'SESSAY On Liberty has been praised and at-tacked for many reasons and from many different perspectives,but one aspect of Mill's work that has been overlooked is a conception
of freedom that was new to the British political tradition. I shall focuson that novel conception of freedom in order to show that it is moreproperly understood as libertarian, not liberal, and to demonstratehow this conception of freedom sheds light both on a number of otherideas in Mill's social philosophy and on the evolution of his thinking.
There are two major obstacles to the comprehension of Mill's novelconception of freedom. First, we need a terminological clarification ofthe meaning in this context of libertarian and liberal. Second, thebelief that Mill is "the" expostulator of liberalism is so widely held byboth admirers and critics that it has achieved a kind of textbookstatus. It is this presupposition that largely distorts the reading of Milland the result of this distortion is that we are denied access to valuableinsights.'
Reason Papers No. 9 (Winter 1983) 3-19.Copyright @ 1983 by the Reason Foundation.






http://www.reasonpapers.com/pdf/09/rp_9_1.pdf







(Michigan sucks btw)

 

[steveh_131]

D-Ric, if you're trying to use a libertarian 'authority' to convince us that we (libertarians) are wrong on our drug policies, you should to pick one that we know or like. It would still be a logical fallacy, but at least we might read it.

 

[Dead Duck]

D-Ric, if you're trying to use a libertarian 'authority' to convince us that we (libertarians) are wrong on our drug policies, you should to pick one that we know or like. It would still be a logical fallacy, but at least we might read it.

Jeez -
Did someone pee in your sandbox?

 

[D-Ric902]

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.


but, "Paul" is a modernpostedclarkslightneopseudoconservativepostWWIIisolationistleaningbigmoneywithaslightpinksocialprogramleaning candidate.


And I'm a postWWIIedclarkeratrueconservativefreedomleaningpseudomoderatemilitarylovingworldengaginglibertarian.


How could I possible support such a heretic to the "true" Liberty loving freedom people.

lets just stay home since "our guy is not in the race. Then we can complain about the Democrats in office.