All I can say is that people have died from one punch. Take that for what it's worth.
A judge won't take that for what it's worth.
Unless it's a line to marry Jewel Staite......then the gloves are off and may God have mercy on your soul.
Hmmm... wonder what's gonna happen when that slide goes full battery with his booger hook on the bang switch...
Interesting to see everyone focused on the legalities...but what about the rest of it? You know, important stuff like how you are actually going to pull it off. At contact distances, we know that if you go for your gun before getting dominant positioning, you will likely end up in a grappling match over your gun. If you end up in a gun grapple with a bigger, stronger, more skilled individual--just the sort of person where you could argue a disparity of force existed--there is a high likelihood you will loose. In order to get dominant positioning, you need to have a strong unarmed skillset, and if you have a strong unarmed skillset and can readily get dominant positioning, using your gun might no longer be necessary or justified.
Threads like this are fun exercises in mental masturbation, but reality is way more complicated than just deciding whether whip out your gat.
Wow. NOBODY around here knew THAT! Thanks for sharing your great wisdom! There's not a single person here on this forum who's EVER practiced ANYTHING like WEAPON RETENTION.
I guess we should just all give up, quit our jobs, stop carrying guns or knives and dedicate our lives to Muay Thai.
Too many witnesses. If I were in an alley or something he'd be dead. In the line at a store, he'd be arrested for assault.
IMO, you don't draw your gun for a little ***** slap.
So I'm supposed to take multiple shots to the head and face before you say it's okay to defend myself????????You draw your gun after there are repeated ***** slaps.
If you're on the ground, and the blows keep coming, then do what you have to do.
Then just exactly how many punches do I have to take before it is okay. We've established that it has to be more than one, but does it have to be more than 5? 10?The first punch? No, that's not grounds to draw your gun.
This is true. But you've also escalated a situation needlessly (IMO). However, as you pointed out, this could be different if you were infirm and continued blows would be deadly and leaving the area could not be accomplished quickly.
I'm not saying pulling a gun is a terrible idea, just that I think there are better alternatives for most people.
What if that punch was a full on hard-as-the-guy-can-swing... and lands on a woman's face?
What if the guy was a 30something bodybuilder type and the lady was twice that old and not so fit?
Can opened...worms EVERYwhere.
Um, no. The whole point is not to end up on the ground, thankyouverymuch.
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Needlessly? Some douchebag hits me in the face and you think me pulling a firearm to ensure he doesn't do it again is "needless."
Interesting to see everyone focused on the legalities...but what about the rest of it? You know, important stuff like how you are actually going to pull it off. At contact distances, we know that if you go for your gun before getting dominant positioning, you will likely end up in a grappling match over your gun. If you end up in a gun grapple with a bigger, stronger, more skilled individual--just the sort of person where you could argue a disparity of force existed--there is a high likelihood you will loose. In order to get dominant positioning, you need to have a strong unarmed skillset, and if you have a strong unarmed skillset and can readily get dominant positioning, using your gun might no longer be necessary or justified.
Threads like this are fun exercises in mental masturbation, but reality is way more complicated than just deciding whether to whip out your gat.
If you can move away, or have the unarmed skills to deal with such a situation, then yes-- a gun is needless escalation.
If you can't move away, or if you don't possess the unarmed skills to deal with such a situation, then going to the gun might be your only option.