Politics oh my

[FortWayneGunfighter]

For some of us young bucks being our first time we can vote this is our first real time paying attention to politics(hopefully we have) but my question to some of you "old timers" is have you ever been so scared as to the results of an election before and does it ever get any better? Of course i say old timers with the respect they deserve. Thank you for the input i was just curious.

 

[Classic]

Scariest one for me so far. Hated when Carter got elected but this one is way worse. 4 more years of this economic disaster and America will be bankrupt and defenseless. IMO.

 

[netsecurity]

Only the 2008 election was scary to me. We warned them what Obama was, and they didn't believe an American could be a socialist. Going back to the 80's I never cared much if my candidate lost, because they were all moderate then compared to today.

No one wants to give the terrorists more credit/power than they deserve, but to I think 9-11, and the wars that followed, divided this country in half more than since the civil war, driving both parties to opposite ends of the spectrum.

Needless to say, I think one party is right when it comes to financial and moral obligations, while the other is just sh##, and their moving to the Left turned them into socialist scumbags.

 

[CTS]

For some of us young bucks being our first time we can vote this is our first real time paying attention to politics(hopefully we have) but my question to some of you "old timers" is have you ever been so scared as to the results of an election before and does it ever get any better? Of course i say old timers with the respect they deserve. Thank you for the input i was just curious.

The media on both sides always whip everyone up into a frenzy about how "this is the most important election of our time." While I agree that another 4 years of Obama will be quite detrimental, I'm not predicting the end of America like everyone else is. Actually if he wins, I'm ardently hoping that the RNC will finally realize they can't run some flip flopping RINO and expect the base to be energized about it. Though McCain's disaster didn't seem to phase them...

 

[Ted]

The Bush-Gore election debacle of 2000 ate at my nerves for more than a few reasons. Al Gore is so divisive, such an ideologue, such a hypocrite, so arrogant......that he makes Obama look tame in comparison. A Gore Presidency had all the earmarks of a slow moving train wreck in progress.

For all the faults and the likely mental imbalance that Richard Nixon subsequently suffered as President, his 1960, razor thin loss to Kennedy foretold of his character, when he refused to contest the election results due to voter fraud. He is distinctly quoted as stating that doing such would tear apart the country.

In contrast, the Gore campaign proved Nixon correct when it pushed to have the courts intercede to decide the election, instead of that of the established rule of law.

 

[hoosier978]

I would say the fact people find it scary is funny. I think both parties are at the extreme and we for sure need some moderate choices out there in the spotlight. I wont go to say one is right or wrong because thats not the case. Vote with what you believe.

Wait so you think we need someone between Obama and Romney? I don't understand...

 

[hornadylnl]

Same rhetoric from both sides year after year. One thing is for certain regardless of who wins. Government and debt gets bigger. Only it's ok when it's your guy doing it.

 

[sepe]

I would say the fact people find it scary is funny. I think both parties are at the extreme and we for sure need some moderate choices out there in the spotlight. I wont go to say one is right or wrong because thats not the case. Vote with what you believe.

There might be groups in each party that are closer to the extremes but many are very, very similar. Also, if people voted what they believed, we probably wouldn't have Obama or Romney as choices. That won't ever happen on a large scale in this country.

 

[sepe]

Wait so you think we need someone between Obama and Romney? I don't understand...

I don't know if there is enough room to get someone in the middle of that dance card.

 

[dsol]

The Bush-Gore election debacle of 2000 ate at my nerves for more than a few reasons. Al Gore is so divisive, such an ideologue, such a hypocrite, so arrogant......that he makes Obama look tame in comparison. A Gore Presidency had all the earmarks of a slow moving train wreck in progress.

For all the faults and the likely mental imbalance that Richard Nixon subsequently suffered as President, his 1960, razor thin loss to Kennedy foretold of his character, when he refused to contest the election results due to voter fraud. He is distinctly quoted as stating that doing such would tear apart the country.

In contrast, the Gore campaign proved Nixon correct when it pushed to have the courts intercede to decide the election, instead of that of the established rule of law.

I didnt think of that but you are right, very good observation. Back then people were not concerned only with themselves, but the country as a whole. Nowdays, it is just about ME ME ME.... how many times does Obama refer to himself in his speeches? Same with Romney although I think he has a greater amount of moral character and sense of duty.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

There might be groups in each party that are closer to the extremes but many are very, very similar. Also, if people voted what they believed, we probably wouldn't have Obama or Romney as choices. That won't ever happen on a large scale in this country.

There's a reason the Romney's get nominated and the obama's hide what they are to get elected...the "moderates" don't like extremes in either direction. And since they're the block of votes up for grabs, a successful presidential candidate is one that appeals to the most moderates while energizing the base of their respective parties.

McCain was about as milquetoast as a moderate could possibly want. But he refused to meaningfully engage Obama in the campaign. His moderate record in his senate career did absolutely nothing to energize constitutional conservatives. Plus, the historical nature of Obama's ascent to the White House was a ground swell the feckless republicans were incapable of combatting.

But to answer your question. OP: the scariest part of another Obama presidency to me is with the economy and SCOTUS nominees. History shows that its not a sure thing for republicans to nominate strong constitutionally minded justices. But the democrats are 100% at nominating progressive ones. Plus even a republican controlled senate will refuse to fight a democrat nominated justice if s/he was using the constitution as kindling.

Romney's not going to substantially reverse the growth of big government. Frankly, nobody running this year could--because such a candidate cannot get elected. The progressives have addicted too many to the plethora of government hand-outs. Just look how mourdock is using his comment about SSzMecicare being unconstitutional against him. And another example: look at the aftermath of hurricane Sandy. Even on the "conservative" Fox News, the call for federal government assistance in the clean up is off the charts. We're doomed to romney's and obama's in sheep's clothing until enough wake up.

 

[shibumiseeker]

For some of us young bucks being our first time we can vote this is our first real time paying attention to politics(hopefully we have) but my question to some of you "old timers" is have you ever been so scared as to the results of an election before and does it ever get any better? Of course i say old timers with the respect they deserve. Thank you for the input i was just curious.

Scared? No. With age and experience you realize that very little will actually change and regardless of who is in power at the time. Factors that have little to nothing to do with what all the pundits and demagogues tell you will create the End of Times will have far more influence on your life than the person in the office. Fundamentally they are way more alike then they are different. While there are a few whackjob politicians out there their influence is largely moderated by the majority. The way the system works right now, they ALL want you scared of the other side, so they have to predict disaster if the other guy is in charge.

Yeah, a few things important to you may change over time, but in the aggregate life events are more important than a political election, and an objective look at it shows the change each election to be more of flavor than substance.

 

[rat-man]

Same rhetoric from both sides year after year. One thing is for certain regardless of who wins. Government and debt gets bigger. Only it's ok when it's your guy doing it.

Very good. Yes.

Here's how I feel about this presidential election>>>

 

[mrjarrell]

Same rhetoric from both sides year after year. One thing is for certain regardless of who wins. Government and debt gets bigger. Only it's ok when it's your guy doing it.

Yep and the one reason I refuse to worry about who's going to win. There'll be no major shifts in any direction and things will continue their downhill run.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Yep and the one reason I refuse to worry about who's going to win. There'll be no major shifts in any direction and things will continue their downhill run.

Oddly, it would seem you have a lot in common with the average Dancing With the Stars/Survivor voter....um...or non-voter. They don't worry about the implications of their actions either and the attendant downward spiral of our country.

 

[hornadylnl]

Oddly, it would seem you have a lot in common with the average Dancing With the Stars/Survivor voter....um...or non-voter. They don't worry about the implications of their actions either and the attendant downward spiral of our country.

A sure sign of one who worries about the implications of their actions and the attendant downward spiral of our country is voting for Romney.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

A sure sign of one who worries about the implications of their actions and the attendant downward spiral of our country is voting for Romney.

Goodun

 

[mrjarrell]

Why worry about the inevitable. Better to prepare for it and maintain a good mental attitude.

 

[Ted]

Same rhetoric from both sides year after year. One thing is for certain regardless of who wins. Government and debt gets bigger. Only it's ok when it's your guy doing it.

Yep and the one reason I refuse to worry about who's going to win. There'll be no major shifts in any direction and things will continue their downhill run.

Here's a graphic of the national debt and associated party affiliations in power, that largely refutes your claims.

 

[ATM]

I'm not scared.