Politically motivated violence thread

[Doug]

Wearing a MAGA hat in America is like wearing a yellow Star of David in Nazi Germany.
It makes you a target for socialist thugs.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

A white supremacist ran down and killed a young black man in Oregon has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for 28 years

 

[IndyDave1776]

A white supremacist ran down and killed a young black man in Oregon has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for 28 years

I am not convinced from the information given that it was in fact a hate crime. No information was given regarding the altercation preceding the vehicular attack. It is entirely possible that hostilities were focused on some entirely different issue.

 

[buckstopshere]

Wearing a MAGA hat in America is like wearing a yellow Star of David in Nazi Germany.
It makes you a target for socialist thugs.

That pretty well sums it up

 

[jamil]

I am not convinced from the information given that it was in fact a hate crime. No information was given regarding the altercation preceding the vehicular attack. It is entirely possible that hostilities were focused on some entirely different issue.

Prosecutors argued Courtier was motivated by his white supremacist beliefs — saying he was a member of the European Kindred white supremacist prison gang and was wearing the gang's logo on his baseball cap and had its tattoo on his leg when he encountered Bruce.


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I've never heard of "Euorpean Kindred" but if it's true that he belongs to it, and it is indeed a white supremacy group (the name kinda strongly implies that it is), and he has some kind of legit justification for running that guy over, it really is a horrible coincidence that this White Supremacist happened to run down and kill a black person. For statistical purposes I don't have a problem with them classifying the motive as hate crime. It's in the FBI NIBRS system for a long time as a way to categorize such things for statistical purposes. Not fond of "hate crime" laws as such. But nevertheless, if it wasn't self defense, and it doesn't sound like this was, the sentence seems just to me without the superfluous "hate crime" label attached. You don't just get to just run people over and kill them.

 

[Dead Duck]

Well Crap!
I guess I should have my tattoo removed now - KILL SMURFS

 

[IndyDave1776]

Prosecutors argued Courtier was motivated by his white supremacist beliefs — saying he was a member of the European Kindred white supremacist prison gang and was wearing the gang's logo on his baseball cap and had its tattoo on his leg when he encountered Bruce.


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I've never heard of "Euorpean Kindred" but if it's true that he belongs to it, and it is indeed a white supremacy group (the name kinda strongly implies that it is), and he has some kind of legit justification for running that guy over, it really is a horrible coincidence that this White Supremacist happened to run down and kill a black person. For statistical purposes I don't have a problem with them classifying the motive as hate crime. It's in the FBI NIBRS system for a long time as a way to categorize such things for statistical purposes. Not fond of "hate crime" laws as such. But nevertheless, if it wasn't self defense, and it doesn't sound like this was, the sentence seems just to me without the superfluous "hate crime" label attached. You don't just get to just run people over and kill them.

My point is that there is a burden of proof beyond evidence of the man's general beliefs. His motive could have just as easily been that the decedent said his momma wears combat boots which has nothing to do with race. It doesn't justify murder, but still fails to pass muster for a 'hate crime'.

 

[jamil]

My point is that there is a burden of proof beyond evidence of the man's general beliefs. His motive could have just as easily been that the decedent said his momma wears combat boots which has nothing to do with race. It doesn't justify murder, but still fails to pass muster for a 'hate crime'.

Agreed. But he did kill the guy. I don't think that much was in question. Did he use a self-defense defense?

 

[2A_Tom]

Now, Dave, we all know it is much worse to kill someone because you hate their color than if you just hate them or you just kill them for the thrill of it.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Now, Dave, we all know it is much worse to kill someone because you hate their color than if you just hate them or you just kill them for the thrill of it.

Right. I mean sometimes you just feel like killing someone at random, even if they're only 5 years old.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/emmanu...-america-balcony-court-appearance-2019-04-16/

 

[Phase2]

Seattle Man Punches Priest After Asking, 'How's Trump?'

Nothing like approaching a total stranger and punching them. When you define "punching Nazis" as approved behavior, then it isn't really surprising that some will start to find lots of "Nazis" to attack.

 

[2A_Tom]

The priest was Russian, Russian, Russian Orthodox.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Seattle Man Punches Priest After Asking, 'How's Trump?'

Nothing like approaching a total stranger and punching them. When you define "punching Nazis" as approved behavior, then it isn't really surprising that some will start to find lots of "Nazis" to attack.

Hmmm...buzzards need to eat too!

 

[ArcadiaGP]

No prison time for Massachusetts man who sent white powder to Don Jr. and Eric Trump.

On Friday, Federal Judge Nathaniel Gorton said he declined to send Frisiello to prison because of concerns the 25-year-old would not respond well to incarceration. Frisiello’s lawyer has said the man is developmentally disabled. But Groton stressed the sentence wasn’t “lenient”

Frisiello thanked Groton and said the past year has been “hell” for his family. Prosecutors objected to the sentence.

During the period of probation, Frisiello is prohibited from contacting victims in the case, sending letters through the mail, accessing the internet, and possessing and accessing computers

"Would not respond well to incarceration..."

What the **** does that mean

 

[DoggyDaddy]

No prison time for Massachusetts man who sent white powder to Don Jr. and Eric Trump.



"Would not respond well to incarceration..."

What the **** does that mean

Prison is icky?

 

[2A_Tom]

I know that I would nor respond well to prison.

 

[jamil]

I know that I would nor respond well to prison.

Okay, if the judge isn't going to give the guy prison time, he should have to wear headphones 14 hours/day with Christiana Ford's testimony playing over and over and over and over and over....you get the idea.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Okay, if the judge isn't going to give the guy prison time, he should have to wear headphones 14 hours/day with Christiana Ford's testimony playing over and over and over and over and over....you get the idea.

Until it's burned into his hippocampus?

 

[Mikey1911]

Okay, if the judge isn't going to give the guy prison time, he should have to wear headphones 14 hours/day with Christiana Ford's testimony playing over and over and over and over and over....you get the idea.

“Cruel and Unusual Punishment”

 

[MCgrease08]

“Cruel and Unusual Punishment”

This would work too.

[video=youtube_share;HdZ9weP5i68]http://youtu.be/HdZ9weP5i68[/video]