Political Funny Pictures DISCUSSION thread

[JettaKnight]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-picture-thread-part-3-a-333.html#post7587635

Don't forget about alienating all our NATO allies and sending the economy into a recession because of tariffs...
Don't forget about the DPKR...

 

[BugI02]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-picture-thread-part-3-a-333.html#post7587635

Don't forget about alienating all our NATO allies and sending the economy into a recession because of tariffs...
Don't forget about the DPKR...

I always thought an actual ally would do more than just hold your coat for you while you fought their battles for them (and then stiff you with the tab, too)

Call me old fashioned

 

[d.kaufman]

I always thought an actual ally would do more than just hold your coat for you while you fought their battles for them (and then stiff you with the tab, too)

Call me old fashioned

Agreed! We can leave NATO altogether for all i care. Quit being the world police and spend those resources here on our vets, infrastructure, schools, etc

 

[churchmouse]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-picture-thread-part-3-a-333.html#post7587635

Don't forget about alienating all our NATO allies and sending the economy into a recession because of tariffs...
Don't forget about the DPKR...

Huh....you mean the outfit we are digging deep to keep it afloat. That NATO...???

 

[churchmouse]

Agreed! We can leave NATO altogether for all i care. Quit being the world police and spend those resources here on our vets, infrastructure, schools, etc

Winner. Screw the rest. If we cut off the funds they will drop us like a hot rock.

 

[BugI02]

Agreed! We can leave NATO altogether for all i care. Quit being the world police and spend those resources here on our vets, infrastructure, schools, etc

If they have to fund their own plan to discourage "the bear at the door" I wonder if 2% might not seem to have been a bargain (in hindsight)

 

[ghitch75]

Winner. Screw the rest. If we cut off the funds they will drop us like a hot rock.

they can't drop us we are it....we drop them.....

 

[Birds Away]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-picture-thread-part-3-a-333.html#post7587635

Don't forget about alienating all our NATO allies and sending the economy into a recession because of tariffs...
Don't forget about the DPKR...

It's funny when the left, which usually fights tooth an nail against any defense spending, doesn't bat an eye about defense spending for their socialist brothers and sisters in Europe.

 

[JettaKnight]

Agreed! We can leave NATO altogether for all i care. Quit being the world police and spend those resources here on our vets, infrastructure, schools, etc

NATO was not suppose to be, and shouldn't be a police force. It's a defensive pact.

 

[d.kaufman]

NATO was not suppose to be, and shouldn't be a police force. It's a defensive pact.

Its a big waste of tax payer monies is what it is!

 

[ArcadiaGP]

NATO was not suppose to be, and shouldn't be a police force. It's a defensive pact.

When did it (d)evolve into what it is today? There's absolutely nothing wrong with NATO being a defensive pact. That's an excellent thing to be involved in. I can understand that, in doing so, it should expect the involved nations to keep up on their own military. That also makes sense... If you're going to be a part of the pact, you need to be capable.

But when did it become another entity entirely, and why, and has it ever been actually used effectively as such?

 

[Hatin Since 87]

NATO was not suppose to be, and shouldn't be a police force. It's a defensive pact.

That was started to prevent the spread of communism westward. It should have been dismantled when the soviets collapsed.

Its a big waste of tax payer monies is what it is!

Yep. We’ve been funding all of their defense spending for years, although we do have bases over there, I’d say those should be free for saving their tails from the brown shirts in ww2.

 

[Birds Away]

NATO was not suppose to be, and shouldn't be a police force. It's a defensive pact.

For which we have shouldered most of the burden. Do you envision the Russian horde sending tank armies through the Fulda Gap? I don't. Do we need a presence in Europe. Well, it does pay dividends beyond the obvious defensive ones. IMO there is still value in having NATO and for us to be a part of it. But that value isn't infinite and I think having them pay their end of what the treaty they signed requires isn't asking too much.

 

[JettaKnight]

That was started to prevent the spread of communism westward. It should have been dismantled when the soviets collapsed.

The USSR may be dead, but the threat remains. Just ask the Estonians.

Yep. We’ve been funding all of their defense spending for years, although we do have bases over there, I’d say those should be free for saving their tails from the brown shirts in ww2.

...all of their defense spending?

 

[JettaKnight]

All things that are best taught in the home.

And do you seriously think there's no lesson on the Constitution? Or lessons capitalism and socialism?


I think critical thinking is a better thing that needs taught.

 

[JettaKnight]

For which we have shouldered most of the burden. Do you envision the Russian horde sending tank armies through the Fulda Gap? I don't. Do we need a presence in Europe. Well, it does pay dividends beyond the obvious defensive ones. IMO there is still value in having NATO and for us to be a part of it. But that value isn't infinite and I think having them pay their end of what the treaty they signed requires isn't asking too much.

No argument from me on that point.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

NATO was not suppose to be, and shouldn't be a police force. It's a defensive pact.

The USSR may be dead, but the threat remains. Just ask the Estonians.




...all of their defense spending?

Not saying threat of Russia isn’t still high, but I think at this point in time they’re not a threat we should be worried about. Germany is already funding Russia for their natural gas. Why are we paying defense budgets (not all, but a very high portion of it) for a country that’s doing business with the country the treaty was made to protect them from? Seems like we are buying the cake so they can both share it.

 

[JettaKnight]

Not saying threat of Russia isn’t still high, but I think at this point in time they’re not a threat we should be worried about. Germany is already funding Russia for their natural gas. Why are we paying defense budgets (not all, but a very high portion of it) for a country that’s doing business with the country the treaty was made to protect them from? Seems like we are buying the cake so they can both share it.

Like I said, the Estonians and others in that region disagree about your threat assessment on Russia.


Why do you think we're paying the budget for Bundeswehr? You keep making that claim. May I see some numbers?

 

[Hatin Since 87]

NATO was not suppose to be, and shouldn't be a police force. It's a defensive pact.

Like I said, the Estonians and others in that region disagree about your threat assessment on Russia.


Why do you think we're paying the budget for Bundeswehr? You keep making that claim. May I see some numbers?

Germany... 39 million.

US... 649 million.

Sanders oversimplifies U.S. share of NATO | PolitiFact

 

[JettaKnight]

Do you think the German defense budget is only $688M?




EDIT: OK, you're saying one thing, but reality is something else.

You said we pay for Germany's defense forces. When in reality we pay a substantial portion of NATO's budget. The latter doesn't buy panzers, MG 3's, or pay for Hans salary, it pays for all the overhead of maintaining an alliance that's ready to fight together should the time come. Right?


So we pay $650M for NATO... that's 1/1000th of our total defense budget. That's what you're complaining about?

I may be wrong, but I believe that it was the US that most recently called NATO allies to help us in Afghanistan and Iraq. One might argue, that if we use it, we should pay for it. And it's based on GDP, ... ah... someone else can do the math.