Planned Parenthood

[gunman41mag]

There was a day when Society and the law held you accountable. In that day it was safe for children to play in the streets—or grow in a womb.

The demon-crats took that away from us a long time ago

 

[iwearcowboyboots]

That's the issue... The State of Indiana doesn't want to give money to an orginization that provides abortions! They get funding from the State, from donations, and from "patients".

Except Indiana still gives money to organizations that provide abortions, just not certain organizations. I saw nothing in the news where 10% of our hospitals (and all the clinics/labs/etc that they own) were defunded. 10% is the average nationwide. I know for a fact that the local hospital here (the only game in town in terms of hospitals - and probably abortions) does provide them. Plus, the way hospitals work, there are probably 4 different companies involved in that hospital abortion in terms of billing. The doc, the lab, the meds, etc are all likely different entities that bill separately. Why are all those places still able to get gov funds if PP can't?

Nevermind, I agree with the government in that the only moral abortion is one where those providing the service make a real profit. I object to all abortions that don't have a sticker price of at least $5,000 (thankfully those of us who can afford insurance can still get out of paying most of that hospital bill). Whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, you all but have to be wearing blinders to not see that this is nothing but a vote grab.

 

[Designer99]

It's not misleading if you recognize that it doesn't really matter who foots the bill. PP receives 35% of its income for the abortion services it provides.

Looks like you're getting your misinformed numbers from the same source this Florida State Rep is getting his...

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...a-republican-says-abortions-make-37-percent-/


...the Truth-O-Meter says it's false

 

[96firephoenix]

This is an issue that I feel very strongly about, and I will try to keep from turning this into a long-winded rant. PP performs many services, yet a whole third of their clinical revenue comes from abortions. Would you be ok with a Pizza joint that served a wide variety of pizzas if a whole third of their in-store revenue came from serving toddleroni pizza's made with real toddlers? Even if they only used unwanted toddlers on their pizzas?

A child is a child no matter whether it is: wanted or unwanted; retarded or normal; concieved by rape or by love; black or white; healthy or sickly; in its mother's arms or in its mother's womb.

Looks like you're getting your misinformed numbers from the same source this Florida State Rep is getting his...
PolitiFact Florida | Florida Republican says abortions make up 37 percent of Planned Parenthood revenues
...the Truth-O-Meter says it's false

According to that, its 37% of the clinical income, which is 36% of the total... I make that at 13.3% of the total. Not an insignificant chunk.

 

[Fargo]

This is an issue that I feel very strongly about, and I will try to keep from turning this into a long-winded rant. PP performs many services, yet a whole third of their clinical revenue comes from abortions. Would you be ok with a Pizza joint that served a wide variety of pizzas if a whole third of their in-store revenue came from serving toddleroni pizza's made with real toddlers? Even if they only used unwanted toddlers on their pizzas?

A child is a child no matter whether it is: wanted or unwanted; retarded or normal; concieved by rape or by love; black or white; healthy or sickly; in its mother's arms or in its mother's womb.



According to that, its 37% of the clinical income, which is 36% of the total... I make that at 13.3% of the total. Not an insignificant chunk.

+1 but it won't let me rep you yet.

Best,

Joe

 

[88GT]

Looks like you're getting your misinformed numbers from the same source this Florida State Rep is getting his...

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...a-republican-says-abortions-make-37-percent-/


...the Truth-O-Meter says it's false

Nothing false about it. Of the SERVICES performed by PP, abortions account for 35% of the income.

Since none of the other sources of income are generated by PP, I don't consider it relevant to a conversation that is comparing the importance of difference services relative to their monetary contribution to income.

Yes, as a percentage of TOTAL income, it is lower than 35%. But as a percentage of BUSINESS ACTIVITIES THAT DIRECTLY GENERATE INCOME, it is more than a third of their revenue.

Everything else are contributions, not business income.

So when someone asks why abortions are such big business for PP, it's precisely because they are big business.

 

[sadclownwp]

As Pro Abortion as I am, I must say that, a child is child, but at what point? Is it a child when it is conceived, I don't think so personally. But I don't think my tax dollars should pay for someone who was to dumb to wear a rubber, or morally corrupt enough they could not wait till they were in a stable relationship with a decent income and could afford a child.

These people who look to planned parenthood as a way out of responsability sicken me.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

As Pro Abortion as I am, I must say that, a child is child, but at what point? Is it a child when it is conceived, I don't think so personally. But I don't think my tax dollars should pay for someone who was to dumb to wear a rubber, or morally corrupt enough they could not wait till they were in a stable relationship with a decent income and could afford a child.

These people who look to planned parenthood as a way out of responsibility sicken me.

Its not always so cut and dry, there are many reasons people get abortions. As messed up as it may seem, I am ok with funding planned parent hood as long as it makes fiscal sense. If it costs less to get someone an abortion than it does to either pay for that kid in foster care or on govt assistance, I am all for it.

We as a country need to start making decision based upon the fiscal implications, not the emotional ones.

 

[RockofStrength]

Its not always so cut and dry, there are many reasons people get abortions. As messed up as it may seem, I am ok with funding planned parent hood as long as it makes fiscal sense. If it costs less to get someone an abortion than it does to either pay for that kid in foster care or on govt assistance, I am all for it.

We as a country need to start making decision based upon the fiscal implications, not the emotional ones.

In that case, we need to stop funding organizations like this and remove funding for all the other government assistance garbage. Funding an organization that kills children merely because they cost too much is utterly repugnant.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

In that case, we need to stop funding organizations like this and remove funding for all the other government assistance garbage. Funding an organization that kills children merely because they cost too much is utterly repugnant.

I am ok with getting rid of welfare and similar programs.

But PP isnt doing abortions because it costs too much to pay for the kids later. I am merely saying that we are going to have to pay for them one way or the other. Be it to get rid of a problem or pay for it later.

Abortion is the solution to a problem, if you have a moral problem with it that is your right. Dont get one. But who am I to deny someone else that decision?

Now if you want to pass a law that if you get an abortion you also have to get your tubes tied, I am all cool with that too. We are too over populated as it is.

 

[orange]

Man, Planned Parenthood sounds so useful. There's so much bitter debate to be had around it. People can argue endlessly over abortion, over responsibility and population, over entitlements, and it's all great distraction from the fact PP takes up something like 0.010% of the federal budget.

Meanwhile let's have another bailout for our banks. Meanwhile let's have another year of our eternal wars. Somehow it's politically acceptable to stand around debating putting a bandaid on a hangnail while the country is bleeding from the throat.

 

[Hornett]

A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

Here's the math.
If each program was funded equally then .01% would equal out to 10,000 programs.
If we cut 10,000 federal pork barrel spending programs, that would be a good scratch on the surface.
If I could get just .000010% of the federal budget I would be EXTREMELY happy.

 

[eric001]

Without getting into the murky and dangerous waters of where PP spends its money or where they should/should not get that money, I would like to state for the record that those with PERSONAL responsibility would not need nor ask for PP's services. Personal responsibility, which seems to be getting more and more diluted in today's society, would dictate that people would take precautions against outcomes they didn't want in the first place, or accept moral and financial responsibility for their actions after the fact.
Maybe the debate shouldn't be about Planned Parenthood at all. Maybe the debate should be about how to bring back personal responsibility as more than just a phrase in a history book. Just a thought. Probably more like wishful thinking...

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Planned parenthood does a lot of good. They provide a variety of non abortion related health services like cancer screenings and examinations as well as birth control and counseling.

I really wish we kept our tax dollars. Then, I could support what I want to support and you could support what you want to support. If we didn't get like what the other chose to do with their wealth, then we'd just have to get over it. This communism thing we're doing is ridiculous and immoral.

 

[RockofStrength]

Planned parenthood does a lot of good. They provide a variety of non abortion related health services like cancer screenings and examinations as well as birth control and counseling.

I really wish we kept our tax dollars. Then, I could support what I want to support and you could support what you want to support. If we didn't get like what the other chose to do with their wealth, then we'd just have to get over it. This communism thing we're doing is ridiculous and immoral.

Exactly. I don't like PP, but if someone else does then let them give their money instead of taking mine. If I strongly object to programs offered by a given organization it is a slap in the face to realize that I gave the money to fund them.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Let's not forget planned parenthood was founded by a socialist who believed in eugenics. Her goal was partly to improve the gene pool by eliminating the reproduction of "less desirable" genes. Now planned parenthood mainly aborts black babies.

"Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, a social philosophy which claims that human hereditary traits can be improved through social intervention. Sanger's eugenic policies ran to an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family-planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the profoundly retarded. She expressly denounced euthanasia as a eugenics tool."

Margaret Sanger
You'd think liberals would be pissed about that.

 

[rbsangler]

Sources, anyone?

Here, I'll provide something:
Planned Parenthood: Budget Fight About Us, Not Abortion Funding : It's All Politics : NPR

I have to pay significantly for my healthcare..preventative or otherwise, I am leaving abortion out of this equation, Is it so unfair to ask other people to pay significantly for their own healcare? That is the true issue here(as always, getting muddled up with political mumbo jumbo) having our money confiscated and given to someone else to take care of someone else....it's a social program. People are really getting tired of this type stuff( there is no denying it) Cuts, really, really meaningful cuts have to be taken.....it's just that noone wants it to be their social program getting cut. So the answer is to go bankrupt paying all of these social entitlements. Just like Greece. Pay out more entitlements that the revenue that's being taken in...print it if you need to......everyone that is not taking entitlements will surely be able to handle the devaluation of their dollars....problem solved. Next subject.

 

[rbsangler]

Without getting into the murky and dangerous waters of where PP spends its money or where they should/should not get that money, I would like to state for the record that those with PERSONAL responsibility would not need nor ask for PP's services. Personal responsibility, which seems to be getting more and more diluted in today's society, would dictate that people would take precautions against outcomes they didn't want in the first place, or accept moral and financial responsibility for their actions after the fact.
Maybe the debate shouldn't be about Planned Parenthood at all. Maybe the debate should be about how to bring back personal responsibility as more than just a phrase in a history book. Just a thought. Probably more like wishful thinking...

Well put!!!!

 

[Yukon227]

Planned Parenthood.
It wouldn't be needed if people would PARENT their children and educate them.

 

[abnk]

As Pro Abortion as I am, I must say that, a child is child, but at what point? Is it a child when it is conceived, I don't think so personally. But I don't think my tax dollars should pay for someone who was to dumb to wear a rubber, or morally corrupt enough they could not wait till they were in a stable relationship with a decent income and could afford a child.

These people who look to planned parenthood as a way out of responsability sicken me.

You don't have to look to far to get sickened. Anyone who finds it acceptable that a baby is torn from its mother womb limb by limb is sickening.