Official Trump Attempted Assassination at his Rally Thread

[DoggyDaddy]

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FIFY...

 

[BigRed]

How did the agents in the building not here him on the roof?

Maybe I missed that.

INSIDE JOB

 

[smokingman]

Has to be a joke. Saddam Hussein? Really?

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Yes that was added as a joke.
Now about the shooter climbing up an AC unit...while his ladder was already there......

 

[BugI02]

I will follow the actual evidence. By "actual" evidence I mean what is known was the case rather than "it doesn't make sense to me" followed by a theory. Worse yet, picking and choosing what super-early "fog of war" reporting to believe and declaring a cover up if later investigation shows that the media irresponsibly (gasp!) reported something inaccurately. This means I have to hold off before making conclusions, but so be it.

Right now, I see complacency leading to or as the result of incompetence and one messed kid. We'll see where that goes. I don't want to speculate about what will be found, but my mind could be changed.

BTW- the whole "what was the motive" thing seems ridiculous and to an extent it is.

Clearly, he wanted Trump dead. His motive seems to have been hatred for Trump....but why...and maybe not?

1) Policies in general
2) A specific policy
3) Persona
4) Someone he cares about hates Trump
5) He hated someone who likes Trump
6) He was suicidal and wanted fame in death
7) He was mentally ill (likely some component of this in all other possible motives).
7a He believed Trump was some sort of existential threat (where have we heard this before?) and he would be the hero
7b He believed that Trump was involved in a vast conspiracy that only he knew about and could save us all from.

It really goes on and on and there are near infinite possibilities. I think it would be important to find out what it was.

The dearth of information - no reported comms, no social media etc, no writings or manifesto - is starting to feel like the first couple of days after the Madalay Bay/Stephen Paddock shooting to me

You still waiting on the facts for that one, Hough?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

A few weeks back I had a knock on my door. Guy asked if I knew I had dogs on my roof.

they’d be safe fup there if your house got raided.

 

[BugI02]

I’m sure there’s lots of em out there. I know one in particular, that absolutely parrots EVERY dem/leftist loony idea and talking point, throws “right wing nut job” around constantly, and to this day, is proud of the fact that he’s voted straight ticket leftist going back to the 1970s. He probably has at least a dozen firearms, never carries them, mind you, he thinks that’s for the paranoid right wing nut jobs, but he has them.

Indiucky knows who I’m talking about.

Is it that obscure? I just thought you were talking about LeftyGunner

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[BugI02]

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Every time I see him, I see the treasury agent in The Accountant

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Distinction without a difference IMHO. But do you agree that if that law were enforced, once you vote for one particular party, you can never change? I find that hard to believe or accept.

Yes you can change, it goes by the last general election. If you voted in it. If you didn't, how you intend to in the next general. I mistated primary.

Did you mean to say "the majority of your votes in the last general election?" A primary vote can only be within one Party.

Yes, thank you.

Yes. I doubt it has ever been enforced. I'm not even sure there is an enforcement mechanism.

I believe it's a lvl6 felony. But unless
someone admitted it under oath it is impossible to prove.

 

[Nugget]

Has to be a joke. Saddam Hussein? Really?

It's a pretty fun internet meme based on an old infographic pic detailing where they found Saddam in his hidey hole. Google something like, "Saddam Hussein meme" and let the good times roll.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Yes you can change, it goes by the last general election. If you voted in it. If you didn't, how you intend to in the next general. I mistated primary.

So much for elections being confidential. Might as well have a big screen tv in voting places showing your name and who you're voting for.

 

[BugI02]

Certainly no kids have ever rebelled against their parents' views.

I was commenting on the comment about the presumed views of the parents. The kid looks like Antifa nerd material

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I was commenting on the comment about the presumed views of the parents. The kid looks like Antifa nerd material

Right. I was kind of agreeing with you I think.

 

[semperfi211]

At what point does giving advice become illegal? If someone bought a 7mm mag and practiced and took a clonazapam and was successful in killing someone and they said they followed the doctors advice could the doctor be charged with a crime?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

That video doesn't match what the point of the tweet was. She's talking about what was going on before the shooting and the video is clearly after the shooting had happened.

 

[Alamo]

Yes. I doubt it has ever been enforced. I'm not even sure there is an enforcement mechanism.

Enforcement:

I‘ve been a election clerk in Indiana, altho it has been awhile. OK, a long time.

IIRC when someone who had voted for Party A in the past asked for a primary ballot from Party B, then a pollwatcher from either party could challenge that. The election officials would ask the voter if he or she really intended to switch parties. If so, the voter could be required to sign a sworn affidavit that he or she was voting in good faith. If the voter swore and signed, then he or she would receive the ballot of choice and vote. I don’t remember if this was set aside as a provisional vote or not. I don’t recall this ever happening when I worked the polls.

Less directly: One of the tools that used to keep voters in line was political patronage in government jobs and services. If you wanted a job at the county or state level, you had to have the formal approval of the local political authority of whichever party controlled that part of government.

When I was a youngster the Republicans controlled most of the state government so if you wanted a summer job as a laborer or a permanent civil service job at the Brown County State Park, you had to get the local Republican Precinct Committeeman to literally sign a card that you turned in with your job application or you would not be considered for the position.

I know there is at least one INGOer who is familiar with this, because I remember him showing up at my door to ask my mom (the Washington Township Precinct 2 Committeeman) to sign his card to work in the State Park as a summer laborer. Now his father* was, in his own words, a “Jeffersonian Democrat” and I don’t recall which party this INGOer voted in, but Mom did not care; her policy was if you wanted to work she would sign your card regardless of Dem or Rep affiliation. As an historical note Mom signed my card too (thanks Mom!) and this INGOer and I worked at the Park every summer until I went on Active Duty.

I suspect formal political patronage has died out at the local levels at least, but way-back-when Party affiliation was closely tracked and counted towards more than voting. So this was a part of the “enforcement mechanism.”

ETA: I’ll bet affiliation is tracked pretty closely in Chicago still.

*This INGOer’s father was also a friend of our family, a fellow member of the 434th Troop Carrier Wing with my dad, one of my favorite teachers in school, and an all-around really good guy. At least in Brown County in those days Dem vs Rep was not so tooth-and-nail.

 

[foszoe]

It always comes back to the VC...

Hung Cao was a fascinating speech. Not sure I had heard of him before.

 

[Alamo]

Should be someone else that can co-borate this. Not saying that he's making everything up, but others should have known this about the subject also.

Very true.

I found this on notable because all the references to “classmates said he was conservative“ didn’t actually provide any classmates, while this guy put his name and face to his words.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

a pollwatcher from either party could challenge that.