OC at 4-H Fair. -1 Marshall County Reserve Officer

[Soonerdoggy]

If I were a bad guy, the first guy I would shoot is the obvious OC guy.

I carry a gun for personal protection.
I teach my students to conceal carry because when it comes to bad guys, I want them to have all the advantage they can have. Carrying a firearm is not a guarantee of winning an encounter, it's just a tool to be used in an effort to survive.
I do not see where OC is a deterrent to a threat or future criminal act.

What's the point in stirring everyone up?

I agree the Reserve wannabe didnt know what he was doing and went about it the wrong way.

But when OCing, are we not just "asking" for it?
I wonder how many people OC out of ego?
I wonder how many are secretly hoping to draw attention to themselves and get off scaring the ignorant?

It happens and we all know it.

People in this country do need to get used to seeing people with guns, no doubt, but that needs to be done thru education, not intimidation.

 

[ravenwoodranch]

Very good right up, I applaud you on using your words and the way you used them. Hopefully all will turn out right

 

[glockednlocked]

I love the "sir are you with an agency" Depending on my mood my answer would range from "well yes officer state farm is my agency" To "no im an independant actor/model my wife over there books all my gigs oh and just so we are clear I DONT DO ANY GAY OR COP PRISONER PORN"

 

[jeremy]

If I were a bad guy, the first guy I would shoot is the obvious OC guy.

The Shame is that there have been SEVERAL DoJ Studies done with Convicted Felons that show that the Opposite is actually true...

I carry a gun for personal protection.
I teach my students to conceal carry because when it comes to bad guys, I want them to have all the advantage they can have. Carrying a firearm is not a guarantee of winning an encounter, it's just a tool to be used in an effort to survive.
I do not see where OC is a deterrent to a threat or future criminal act.

What's the point in stirring everyone up?

What is the point of teaching People that only YOUR way is the right way?!
I find this to be counter-productive to your statement that you want them to have all the Advatages they can have. You have already started blocking their minds to your very limited views of the World...

I agree the Reserve wannabe didnt know what he was doing and went about it the wrong way.
But when OCing, are we not just "asking" for it?
I wonder how many people OC out of ego?
I wonder how many are secretly hoping to scare the ignorant?

It happens and we all know it

I wonder how many People CC because they are Cowards?!
See what I did there?!

 

[Hooker]

I've had that one happen....plus all the grandparents, aunts, and uncles have bumped it. I try to do side-ways hugs now, to avoid that particular incident....

I always do the one-armed hug (with my left arm) and let my right arm
hang to shield by gun. Seems to work so far and doesn't look awkward.

 

[Wwwildthing]

LEO: Why are you walking around with a gun?
ME: If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer.

LEO: You should know better than walk around here with a concealed carry permit, and your gun isn’t even concealed.
ME: (who is carrying on a out-of-state permit) That's because Indiana law allows the gun owner to choose the method of carry, the same as Arizona.

LEO: Well people are getting upset. You know I can take this away from you? (holds up license).
ME: Only the agency that issued it, can do that.

LEO: This is private property. Do you know why that’s not allowed?
ME: If the property owner asks me to leave, I will, and I'll be taking my wallet with me. Are you asking me to leave?
LEO: Yes.

At which point, I bought myself a pass (as opposed to being further hassled and detained - by someone who is ignorant of the law they're trying to enforce, and is operating on opinion).

Personally, I would have told this 'rookie' to go back over there and tell these folks that I'm legal, and to have a good evening. The burden of proof then falls on the LEO, and the public gets an education.

 

[Roadie]

(snipped)
People in this country do need to get used to seeing people with guns, no doubt, but that needs to be done thru education, not intimidation.

How is carrying a gun, in a holster, "intimidation"?

Thugs walking around, flashing gang signs, and acting all tough are intimidating, but until they cross the line, they are doing nothing wrong, legally.

Yet, you think a civilized gun owner, out with his family, is being intimidating merely by OCing?

I'm sorry, I see Zero logic here.

 

[Hooker]

If I were a bad guy, the first guy I would shoot is the obvious OC guy.

What if there were 3 OC guys?

 

[Wwwildthing]

Not so long ago I would have said you were asking for it. I even had a tiff with another INGO member over OC issues and he gave me a negative rep for sharing my opinion. This was after he asked for replies in a public forum. Whatever....water under the bridge.

I guess you guys are wearing me down because I'm starting to think the ONLY way to ever get the point across is to OC where legal.

Keeping your cool when approached by a LEO, dick or professional is paramount to building a level of respect for OC. At this point I would say expect to be approached and if needed, practice your response just like target practice. Inform the adults you are with that something like this may occur, etc.

For operational activities (whatever they may be) concealed is still the best approach in my opinion.

Someone mentioned LEO's being elitist and that only they should be allowed to carry guns. Sadly, this is probably the case more than it's not. A reserve officer would obviously have some limitations on experience but I would think that part of any LEO training would include gun laws of all things. Maybe they skip that chapter now days.

A new trend like OC in Indiana will take some time to settle in as an every day occurrence. Until then, expect to be hassled. It's not for everyone. Not yet anyway.

Maybe partial OC is the way to go for some. I've seen it many times but I'm also looking for it. You know. The untucked shirt with the holster tip exposed. It's intentional and they are not cops. It's a place to start.

...or perhaps a inside-the-waistband holster that isn't covered... I've considered this myself.

 

[lovemywoods]

LEO: Why are you walking around with a gun?
ME: If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer.

That's a great response!

 

[J_Wales]

If I were a bad guy, the first guy I would shoot is the obvious OC guy.

I carry a gun for personal protection.
I teach my students to conceal carry because when it comes to bad guys, I want them to have all the advantage they can have. Carrying a firearm is not a guarantee of winning an encounter, it's just a tool to be used in an effort to survive.
I do not see where OC is a deterrent to a threat or future criminal act.

What's the point in stirring everyone up?

I agree the Reserve wannabe didnt know what he was doing and went about it the wrong way.

But when OCing, are we not just "asking" for it?
I wonder how many people OC out of ego?
I wonder how many are secretly hoping to draw attention to themselves and get off scaring the ignorant?

It happens and we all know it.

People in this country do need to get used to seeing people with guns, no doubt, but that needs to be done thru education, not intimidation.

Why do the police OC then?

 

[Roadie]

That's a great response!

That, or my personal fave:

LEO: Why are you walking around with a gun?
ME: Why are you?

 

[iChokePeople]

Hey, since we're turning this into another OC/cc thread, can we debate the op's choice of weapon and caliber, too? Please tell me it wasn't a Glock, or anything in 9mm...

 

[J_Wales]

I believe both OC and CC have their merits, so I often split the difference.

I often OC my primary weapon and CC my backup.

 

[KG1]

If I were a bad guy, the first guy I would shoot is the obvious OC guy.

I carry a gun for personal protection.
I teach my students to conceal carry because when it comes to bad guys, I want them to have all the advantage they can have. Carrying a firearm is not a guarantee of winning an encounter, it's just a tool to be used in an effort to survive.
I do not see where OC is a deterrent to a threat or future criminal act.

What's the point in stirring everyone up?

I agree the Reserve wannabe didnt know what he was doing and went about it the wrong way.

But when OCing, are we not just "asking" for it?
I wonder how many people OC out of ego?
I wonder how many are secretly hoping to draw attention to themselves and get off scaring the ignorant?

It happens and we all know it.

People in this country do need to get used to seeing people with guns, no doubt, but that needs to be done thru education, not intimidation.

This here post is mind boggling. The only attempt at intimidation that I got out of the OP's post was comming from the reserve LEO when he tried to throw his wieght around and not from the legally carrying OP that was out with his family minding thier own business and trying to have an enjoyable time at the fair.

 

[686 Shooter]

Why do the police OC then?

Not all of them do, just the ones in uniform. The detectives and under-cover cops carry concealed. Wonder why under-cover cops carry concealed?

 

[DragonGunner]

That, or my personal fave:

LEO: Why are you walking around with a gun?
ME: Why are you?

LEO: Why are you walking around with a gun?
ME: Because I'm with the INGO Zombie Response Agency, and Fenway is my leader sucker!!!!


Wonder how that would go.....

 

[Hoosierdood]

Hey, since we're turning this into another OC/cc thread, can we debate the op's choice of weapon and caliber, too? Please tell me it wasn't a Glock, or anything in 9mm...

Oh great... It WAS a Glock, and it was a .40 cal, because if it doesn't start with a "4" it will only make the bad guy angry.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Short & Wimpy

 

[iChokePeople]

Oh great... It WAS a Glock, and it was a .40 cal, because if it doesn't start with a "4" it will only make the bad guy angry.

That explains the whole thing. He wouldn't have hassled you if you were carrying a 1911. Only irresponsible people who don't care about children carry glocks. People of higher moral fiber carry 1911s. He was just trying to beautify the fairgrounds. Oc'ing a Glock is a lot like littering or men in speedos.