Obama To Address "Gun Rights" In State Of The Union

[45calibre]

yup he didnt say a thing about guns.

 

[BearArms]

yup he didnt say a thing about guns.

x2

 

[ol' trucker]

Uh-huh. thats what people said two years ago.

I don't think ANYBODY can name anything that Obama has done but it never stops the unthinking "dittoheads" from repeatedly saying it.

I don't know what a dittohead is? but we will see how it goes in the next two years. I am sure you are spot on.

 

[rotag84]

BTW...Chris Matthews just broke the story on MSNBC that Obama will soon be announcing a separate speech on "Gun Issues". So...we'll have to see where that leads us.

Yes, I saw that also. My 'theory' was Mathews was told that in an effort to front-run lib criticism that Obama wasn't pursuing anti-gun agenda. If he even does address it in a separate speech, it will be in front of some big city police union who supports him and he will say that if legislation is introduced, he would support it, knowing that it won't pass the House anyway. See how it works? He can tell the libs he supports sensible gun legislation and also claim to others he is not 'anti-gun'.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I love socialists complaining about socialists....

(Kut is a socialist, and probably most people here, based on the definition of the word)

 

[mrjarrell]

Well take off your tin foil hat pilgrims because he didn't say a thing about firearms!

I'm certainly not disappointed that the press got something wrong. I'm just as glad that he didn't mention guns.

 

[Westside]

He can tell the libs he supports sensible gun legislation and also claim to others he is not 'anti-gun'.

I think that nothing will change at the federal level. I can't make any projections about the state/local level. But as far as that goes do what Ronald said and vote with your feet.

 

[kingnereli]

Uh-huh. thats what people said two years ago.

I don't think ANYBODY can name anything that Obama has done but it never stops the unthinking "dittoheads" from repeatedly saying it.

The last two years have shown Obama to be scarier than I thought. When he was elected I thought he was a socialist intent on intent on destroying freedom and restructuring our entire political/economic system. Now I realize he is a socialist who is completely incompetent. He has no idea what he is doing at all. To me, stupid is scarier than evil.

Although, I just love how you downplay the significance of Obamacare as if it wasn't friggin' huge. What has he done besides Obamacare? He wants our tax money to go towards baby murdering in other countries, he wants to close Gitmo, huge bailouts, banned off shore drilling, nominated two freedom hating liberals to the SCOTUS, signed the bill that overturned "don't ask, don't tell." Wow, that list is just what I can pull off the top of my head. Actually, it looks like Obama is stupid and evil.

 

[bighop1]

gun control is coming we will all just be INVESTING (LIKE THE STIMULUS) in our future. thank heavens we trippled our debt for that I'm so much better off now than i was two years ago. oh and wife owns small business (tanning salon)and that ten percent health care tax, added only to tanning industry was really helpful. just waiting for some more new tax ideas to help us all invest in obamas dream.

 

[CarmelHP]

Uh-huh. thats what people said two years ago.

I don't think ANYBODY can name anything that Obama has done but it never stops the unthinking "dittoheads" from repeatedly saying it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9X2VbhSH9o]YouTube - Obama Pushes Anti-Gun Treaty[/ame]

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http://olpusa.amplify.com/2010/06/12/obamas-supreme-court-nominee-kagen-anti-2nd-amendment/

NRA-ILA :: Obama Selects Janet Reno's Anti-Gun Point Man As Next Attorney General

 

[kingnereli]

The last two years have shown Obama to be scarier than I thought. When he was elected I thought he was a socialist intent on intent on destroying freedom and restructuring our entire political/economic system. Now I realize he is a socialist who is completely incompetent. He has no idea what he is doing at all. To me, stupid is scarier than evil.

Although, I just love how you downplay the significance of Obamacare as if it wasn't friggin' huge. What has he done besides Obamacare? He wants our tax money to go towards baby murdering in other countries, he wants to close Gitmo, huge bailouts, banned off shore drilling, nominated two freedom hating liberals to the SCOTUS, signed the bill that overturned "don't ask, don't tell." Wow, that list is just what I can pull off the top of my head. Actually, it looks like Obama is stupid and evil.

No response, Finity?

 

[ol' trucker]

Probably been busy working on the 2012 campaign for Borak. and yes, the spelling is like that on purpose.

 

[kingnereli]

Probably been busy working on the 2012 campaign for Borak. and yes, the spelling is like that on purpose.

 

[finity]

The last two years have shown Obama to be scarier than I thought. When he was elected I thought he was a socialist intent on intent on destroying freedom and restructuring our entire political/economic system. Now I realize he is a socialist who is completely incompetent. He has no idea what he is doing at all. To me, stupid is scarier than evil.

Bush & the Republicans were no better & in many ways worse. Bush didn't get anything accomplished in his first 8 months in office. Then he got "lucky" when 9/11 happened. If not for that one event he would most likely have spent 6 months out of every year on vacation in Texas "clearing brush". On second thought maybe we would have been way better off if thats all he did.

Although, I just love how you downplay the significance of Obamacare as if it wasn't friggin' huge.

"Obamacare" was huge. In many respects I think it was good. As long as I'm paying the premiums why shouldn't I be able to insure my kids on my health insurance since they can't afford it on their own? Whats the alternative? Welfare? Or is it "if they're going to die why don't they just do it then & decrease the surplus popluation? (E. Scrooge - A Christmas Carol)"

The only thing (at least that I know of) that they may have overstepped on is the requirement to buy insurance, BUT, we've had to buy auto insurance by law for years now. I don't like that law either but I see the need for it.

Healthcare is one of the most rapacious industries in this country. There needs to be some controls or at least a means for the poor to get it. The healthcare bill might not be perfect or the best but at least it's a start.

What has he done besides Obamacare? He wants our tax money to go towards baby murdering in other countries,

Huh? link...?

Is this a reference to abortion? Or are you talking about the murdering of the babies in Iraq & Afghanistan in the wars that the Bush adminstration & the Republicans lied & forced us into? So, how many babies have been killed in those two wars so far? Or are you OK with killing babies outside the womb but not inside them?

I think we need to get out as soon as possible & stop killing those babies (& their adults).

he wants to close Gitmo,

So? I want to close Gitmo. The sooner the better. It's a stain on our country's honor & integrity not to mention against the rule of law & justice to hold people in prison indefinitely without trial.

That's what third world dictatorships do. Not a Constitutional Republic. We talk a big game about freedom & democracy but we fail miserably when it comes to actually acting on those words.

huge bailouts,

I didn't like the bailouts either but...

They were started by the Bush administration before Obama was even in office. Also, Bush & his neocon buddies made sure that there was no oversight on where the money went & how it was used. That's the problem I had with the program. All it did was go into the pockets of the greedy banking/corporate executives who got us into this mess in the first place & didn't do a damn thing for helping Joe Paycheck who was going to lose his home.

Looking back now all of the dire "he's going to take over all US industry & turn us into a socialist paradise" didn't happen. Many of the companies who were given money (& are still around) have either paid back the money or are in the process of paying it back.

banned off shore drilling,

First off there had been a congressional ban on off-shore drilling since 1982 in most areas (except the western Gulf) that was only repealed in 2008.

Second, there had been an executive order in place banning off-shore drilling by HW Bush in 1990 until it was lifted by W Bush in 2008 just before he left office.

Then the ban by congress was lifted a short time later.

W Bush rushed through a drilling plan in his last few days in office that would have allowed off-shore drilling effectively forcing Obama to act to make sure that allowing drilling to take place was scientifically/environmentally feasible.

In March of 2010 Obama said that they would allow off-shore drilling in some areas but then the BP oil spill happened in April. That forced them to have second thoughts & take another look at drilling.

So, yes, technically, he banned off-shore drilling. But it had already been banned for almost 20 years with a lifting of restrictions for a only a short time in 2008 by the Bush administration as a final "gotchya" to Obama as Bush was leaving office (just like he did with every other aspect of the US - the economy, the wars, terrorism, etc, etc).

If you are using that against him you are being very intellectually dishonest. Or maybe that's the whole point.

nominated two freedom hating liberals to the SCOTUS

Well, I guess if the ONLY measure you use to determine if someone hates freedom is their view on gun-control (or more likely you are so narrow minded as to think that just by them self selecting as "liberal" that they are "freedom haters") then I guess they are freedom haters. But if thats your metric then you have a very limited view of what freedom truly is.

My view of freedom is a little further reaching than that. Just because it is a conservative majority doesn't mean that the decisions are automatically going to be "freedom loving" or vice versa.

There have been very anti-freedom justices nominated to & confirmed to the SCOTUS by both conservative & liberal presidents & senates for...well...ever. The Obama nominations didn't change the balance of liberal/conservative judges on the SCOTUS one bit. So basically it was a wash & had no net "evilness" to it at all.

signed the bill that overturned "don't ask, don't tell."

Yay! Hooray for that! We've needed to get over that antiquated restriction on gays in the military for a long time now. If you think otherwise then you need to just get in a time machine & head back to the middle-ages so you'll feel more comfortable. Gays have every right to serve their country honorably just like anyone else. Straights don't have a corner on the patriotism market no matter what so many backwards anti-gay people think.

There is no logical reason in this day & age for gays to not serve openly in the military. The only reason given is because some people might feel "uncomfortable". Tough crap! Many of you don't mind making people feel uncomfortable by open carrying. I'll tell you the same thing you (& I) tell them about OC - get the hell over it! Emotions have no place in the decision to restrict someones rights. Unless you're OK with emotionally based thinking when it's something you disagree with?

Wow, that list is just what I can pull off the top of my head. Actually, it looks like Obama is stupid and evil.

If that's all you got you better go back to the ol' drawing board or better yet, get your head out of that certain someplace you can't seem to pull any real arguments out of because your head is in the way.

You know what's really funny is that it's for the reasons you've listed above that Obama is in trouble with many people in his base. Pretty much all he's done (with a few shining exceptions) is continued on with the Bush/Republican policies that he was elected to change.

Sorry, I dIdn't reply sooner.

I happen to have a life outside of INGO & don't just hang around waiting to post here all the time.

I hope you'll forgive me.

 

[ol' trucker]

Bush & the Republicans were no better & in many ways worse. Bush didn't get anything accomplished in his first 8 months in office. Then he got "lucky" when 9/11 happened. If not for that one event he would most likely have spent 6 months out of every year on vacation in Texas "clearing brush". On second thought maybe we would have been way better off if thats all he did.



"Obamacare" was huge. In many respects I think it was good. As long as I'm paying the premiums why shouldn't I be able to insure my kids on my health insurance since they can't afford it on their own? Whats the alternative? Welfare? Or is it "if they're going to die why don't they just do it then & decrease the surplus popluation? (E. Scrooge - A Christmas Carol)"

The only thing (at least that I know of) that they may have overstepped on is the requirement to buy insurance, BUT, we've had to buy auto insurance by law for years now. I don't like that law either but I see the need for it.

Healthcare is one of the most rapacious industries in this country. There needs to be some controls or at least a means for the poor to get it. The healthcare bill might not be perfect or the best but at least it's a start.



Huh? link...?

Is this a reference to abortion? Or are you talking about the murdering of the babies in Iraq & Afghanistan in the wars that the Bush adminstration & the Republicans lied & forced us into? So, how many babies have been killed in those two wars so far? Or are you OK with killing babies outside the womb but not inside them?

I think we need to get out as soon as possible & stop killing those babies (& their adults).



So? I want to close Gitmo. The sooner the better. It's a stain on our country's honor & integrity not to mention against the rule of law & justice to hold people in prison indefinitely without trial.

That's what third world dictatorships do. Not a Constitutional Republic. We talk a big game about freedom & democracy but we fail miserably when it comes to actually acting on those words.



I didn't like the bailouts either but...

They were started by the Bush administration before Obama was even in office. Also, Bush & his neocon buddies made sure that there was no oversight on where the money went & how it was used. That's the problem I had with the program. All it did was go into the pockets of the greedy banking/corporate executives who got us into this mess in the first place & didn't do a damn thing for helping Joe Paycheck who was going to lose his home.

Looking back now all of the dire "he's going to take over all US industry & turn us into a socialist paradise" didn't happen. Many of the companies who were given money (& are still around) have either paid back the money or are in the process of paying it back.



First off there had been a congressional ban on off-shore drilling since 1982 in most areas (except the western Gulf) that was only repealed in 2008.

Second, there had been an executive order in place banning off-shore drilling by HW Bush in 1990 until it was lifted by W Bush in 2008 just before he left office.

Then the ban by congress was lifted a short time later.

W Bush rushed through a drilling plan in his last few days in office that would have allowed off-shore drilling effectively forcing Obama to act to make sure that allowing drilling to take place was scientifically/environmentally feasible.

In March of 2010 Obama said that they would allow off-shore drilling in some areas but then the BP oil spill happened in April. That forced them to have second thoughts & take another look at drilling.

So, yes, technically, he banned off-shore drilling. But it had already been banned for almost 20 years with a lifting of restrictions for a only a short time in 2008 by the Bush administration as a final "gotchya" to Obama as Bush was leaving office (just like he did with every other aspect of the US - the economy, the wars, terrorism, etc, etc).

If you are using that against him you are being very intellectually dishonest. Or maybe that's the whole point.




Well, I guess if the ONLY measure you use to determine if someone hates freedom is their view on gun-control (or more likely you are so narrow minded as to think that just by them self selecting as "liberal" that they are "freedom haters") then I guess they are freedom haters. But if thats your metric then you have a very limited view of what freedom truly is.

My view of freedom is a little further reaching than that. Just because it is a conservative majority doesn't mean that the decisions are automatically going to be "freedom loving" or vice versa.

There have been very anti-freedom justices nominated to & confirmed to the SCOTUS by both conservative & liberal presidents & senates for...well...ever. The Obama nominations didn't change the balance of liberal/conservative judges on the SCOTUS one bit. So basically it was a wash & had no net "evilness" to it at all.



Yay! Hooray for that! We've needed to get over that antiquated restriction on gays in the military for a long time now. If you think otherwise then you need to just get in a time machine & head back to the middle-ages so you'll feel more comfortable. Gays have every right to serve their country honorably just like anyone else. Straights don't have a corner on the patriotism market no matter what so many backwards anti-gay people think.

There is no logical reason in this day & age for gays to not serve openly in the military. The only reason given is because some people might feel "uncomfortable". Tough crap! Many of you don't mind making people feel uncomfortable by open carrying. I'll tell you the same thing you (& I) tell them about OC - get the hell over it! Emotions have no place in the decision to restrict someones rights. Unless you're OK with emotionally based thinking when it's something you disagree with?



If that's all you got you better go back to the ol' drawing board or better yet, get your head out of that certain someplace you can't seem to pull any real arguments out of because your head is in the way.

You know what's really funny is that it's for the reasons you've listed above that Obama is in trouble with many people in his base. Pretty much all he's done (with a few shining exceptions) is continued on with the Bush/Republican policies that he was elected to change.

Sorry, I dIdn't reply sooner.

I happen to have a life outside of INGO & don't just hang around waiting to post here all the time.

I hope you'll forgive me.

Man, I'm glad I don't think like you.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Man, I'm glad I don't think like you.

His point, that Republicans and Democrats are basically the same, is vaild, no?

Warfare or welfare... they'll both put us in the poorhouse.

 

[ol' trucker]

His point, that Republicans and Democrats are basically the same, is vaild, no?

Warfare or welfare... they'll both put us in the poorhouse.

True enough. They are both going to get us in the end. It just seems to me that the Democrats are trying to get us there faster(The End) of our USA as we have known it. I know opinions are like....you know. but that's just mine.

 

[finity]

True enough. They are both going to get us in the end. It just seems to me that the Democrats are trying to get us there faster(The End) of our USA as we have known it. I know opinions are like....you know. but that's just mine.

Man, I'm glad I don't think like you.

Now for my real post.

Aside from the above very deep & insightful post in what way am I wrong in what I said? Please enlighten me. You must have some reason why you have your opinion. Back it up. Otherwise it's just more dittohead nonsense.

Oh yeah. You supposedly don't know what a dittohead is. You can't really expect me to believe you don't listen to Rush.

Well, just in case:

Urban Dictionary: dittohead

 

[Kutnupe14]

True enough. They are both going to get us in the end. It just seems to me that the Democrats are trying to get us there faster(The End) of our USA as we have known it. I know opinions are like....you know. but that's just mine.

You're 100% right. The Demo are on the poorhouse fast track for sure... but when you see Barry leave office, the Repubs will pick up the slack. We need viable alternatives to the "lesser of two evils." Even though I didn't care for Tea Partiers, I had high hope for what they started. Unfortunately, they were successfully infiltrated and pretty much betrayed by the Republican party. Now, they're pretty much the sightly more conservative wing of the party.

 

[CarmelHP]

You know what's really funny is that it's for the reasons you've listed above that Obama is in trouble with many people in his base. Pretty much all he's done (with a few shining exceptions) is continued on with the Bush/Republican policies that he was elected to change.

Sorry, I dIdn't reply sooner.

I happen to have a life outside of INGO & don't just hang around waiting to post here all the time.

I hope you'll forgive me.

In 2008, while supporting Obama for President, you essentially attributed all of the calamities of humankind to George W. Bush. Now, while defending Obama, you say he's essentially the same as Bush. My, oh my.