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Bush & the Republicans were no better & in many ways worse. Bush didn't get anything accomplished in his first 8 months in office. Then he got "lucky" when 9/11 happened. If not for that one event he would most likely have spent 6 months out of every year on vacation in Texas "clearing brush". On second thought maybe we would have been way better off if thats all he did.
Wow,we all got "real lucky" when 9/11 happened. nothing like collapsing the economy because of terrorist. Good thinking.
"Obamacare" was huge. In many respects I think it was good. As long as I'm paying the premiums why shouldn't I be able to insure my kids on my health insurance since they can't afford it on their own? Whats the alternative? Welfare? Or is it "if they're going to die why don't they just do it then & decrease the surplus popluation? (E. Scrooge - A Christmas Carol)"
I don't think in any respect "obamacare" was, or is good. you can insure your kids now on your health insurance. I mean at least if they are not a grown up kid(which should have been raised to afford their own insurance)
when they bacame an adult. welfare shouldn't even be a choice. I haven't ever heard of a case where someone was dying,and they wouldn't operate on them because they didn't have insurance. what did people do before there even was health insurance? you do what you can.but health insurance IS NOT a right. I would like a bigger house,I would like to stay at home and not work,I would like alot of things. but I have to make it happen..not the government.
The only thing (at least that I know of) that they may have overstepped on is the requirement to buy insurance, BUT, we've had to buy auto insurance by law for years now. I don't like that law either but I see the need for it.
Oh ok, they are stepping on us by making it a requirement to buy insurance..ah "we have had to buy auto insurance by law for years now"
So no big deal to step on the constitution,because you see a need for it.
Healthcare is one of the most rapacious industries in this country. There needs to be some controls or at least a means for the poor to get it. The healthcare bill might not be perfect or the best but at least it's a start.
Wait until this "obamacare" kicks in. the poor will be the only one's that can afford it. because they are just going to get the handout that they always do. and people that work hard and pay for their own way are going to be penalized(which we already are) to help the "poor". You see how everything that the government controls, ALWAYS turns into a mess. can't wait till we can rely on them to keep us alive. because most of the good doctors will find something else to do.(because they are self-reliant)and we will be stuck with the government employee. Far from perfect.far from the best.not even a good start.
Huh? link...?
Is this a reference to abortion? Or are you talking about the murdering of the babies in Iraq & Afghanistan in the wars that the Bush adminstration & the Republicans lied & forced us into? So, how many babies have been killed in those two wars so far? Or are you OK with killing babies outside the womb but not inside them?
Lie,Lie,Lie,Lie,Lie,Lie,Lie,Lie,Lie,Lie...goodness. that little gem is wore out. go on to something else. There was md's in Iraq. and even if there wasn't. Saddam wanted everybody to think he had them,and pretty much put a middle finger up in the air,because he knew the useless UN wasn't going to do anything about it. Don't even get into the "how many babies have been killed in those two wars" thing. jesus,I mean obama sent more troops than ever over to Afghanistan. so you can thank the almighty for that one. and you trying to tie the babies killed in battle,to the abortion debate is a joke. because since roe vs wade. we have killed 50+ million babies. so that isn't even a comparison. plus the men that are dying now,had a choice to put their life on the line for something. last time I checked there isn't a draft. babies don't get that right. I am not for abortion. but the government should have no say in the matter. each parent will have to answer for their actions to someone higher than the government.
I think we need to get out as soon as possible & stop killing those babies (& their adults).
I have two cousins,and several friends that are over there,and they don't mind the risk.
So? I want to close Gitmo. The sooner the better. It's a stain on our country's honor & integrity not to mention against the rule of law & justice to hold people in prison indefinitely without trial.
Terrorism is a ***** isn't it....
We talk a big game about freedom & democracy but we fail miserably when it comes to actually acting on those words.
Ding,ding,ding... You got 1 right. good job.
I didn't like the bailouts either but...
They were started by the Bush administration before Obama was even in office. Also, Bush & his neocon buddies made sure that there was no oversight on where the money went & how it was used. That's the problem I had with the program. All it did was go into the pockets of the greedy banking/corporate executives who got us into this mess in the first place & didn't do a damn thing for helping Joe Paycheck who was going to lose his home.
The "Too big to fail bailouts" where just flat out wrong on either side you side with. never should have happened.
Looking back now all of the dire "he's going to take over all US industry & turn us into a socialist paradise" didn't happen. Many of the companies who were given money (& are still around) have either paid back the money or are in the process of paying it back.
Well,let's see. the government is taking over the car industry(transportation) taking over the banking industry(loans)taking over the health industry(life)taking over the food industry...gotta love that new food safety act.(food) not much more they can take over. and you know.once you take over everything you can essentually control the public when you are pulling all the strings..and that is pretty much "a socialist paradise" that didn't happen? it's happening right now. I guess not fast enough for you. but we are shifting into overdrive,and will be there soon enough. but it sound's like you welcome it.so just give it a little time. ok GM got billions in bailouts. then just a few months ago. the government just give them a tax break of billions. so essentually it is "free" money that recieved from the government. sure they are paying it back,but with taxpayers money. not their own. so the only people profiting from the bailouts are the companys themselves. oh,and that's real nice when gm got back into the stock market,you or I as a taxpayer(the one's that ultimately paid for the bailout) wasn't allowed in purchasing any stock. Thanks.
First off there had been a congressional ban on off-shore drilling since 1982 in most areas (except the western Gulf) that was only repealed in 2008.
That is why we are f***ed. because we don't get our own oil. when we have plenty.
Second, there had been an executive order in place banning off-shore drilling by HW Bush in 1990 until it was lifted by W Bush in 2008 just before he left office.
I would say that is a good thing.
Then the ban by congress was lifted a short time later.
Huh,I wonder who was in the majority then? huh...
W Bush rushed through a drilling plan in his last few days in office that would have allowed off-shore drilling effectively forcing Obama to act to make sure that allowing drilling to take place was scientifically/environmentally feasible.
scientifically/environmentally feasible...what a joke. start drilling already..
In March of 2010 Obama said that they would allow off-shore drilling in some areas but then the BP oil spill happened in April. That forced them to have second thoughts & take another look at drilling.
Accident's happen..who know's if it was an accident. shouldn't have forced him to have second thoughts or take another look at drilling. if they would drill in Alaska,and other parts of the country where oil is.. they wouldn't have to be miles out there in the ocean(which has alot more risk)
Too many regulations. pretty simple...start drilling already.
So, yes, technically, he banned off-shore drilling. But it had already been banned for almost 20 years with a lifting of restrictions for a only a short time in 2008 by the Bush administration as a final "gotchya" to Obama as Bush was leaving office (just like he did with every other aspect of the US - the economy, the wars, terrorism, etc, etc).
I guess Bush did do a few things right then.
If you are using that against him you are being very intellectually dishonest. Or maybe that's the whole point.
Pretty honest. obama stands for pretty much everything that I am against. Freedom and Liberty.
Well, I guess if the ONLY measure you use to determine if someone hates freedom is their view on gun-control (or more likely you are so narrow minded as to think that just by them self selecting as "liberal" that they are "freedom haters") then I guess they are freedom haters. But if thats your metric then you have a very limited view of what freedom truly is.
Just a fact..."Liberals" in general like Big government,gun control..and if that get's in the way of freedom.. Big government wins out. not all "liberals" but more than not.
My view of freedom is a little further reaching than that. Just because it is a conservative majority doesn't mean that the decisions are automatically going to be "freedom loving" or vice versa.
There is not much "freedom loving" in a socialist state. which we are becoming.
There have been very anti-freedom justices nominated to & confirmed to the SCOTUS by both conservative & liberal presidents & senates for...well...ever. The Obama nominations didn't change the balance of liberal/conservative judges on the SCOTUS one bit. So basically it was a wash & had no net "evilness" to it at all.
Time will be the judge of that. and I would say in the near future. the judges might actually have to earn their wage. because they are going to be busy.
Yay! Hooray for that! We've needed to get over that antiquated restriction on gays in the military for a long time now. If you think otherwise then you need to just get in a time machine & head back to the middle-ages so you'll feel more comfortable. Gays have every right to serve their country honorably just like anyone else. Straights don't have a corner on the patriotism market no matter what so many backwards anti-gay people think.
I guess I am backwards...thank God I don't walk that way though.
There is no logical reason in this day & age for gays to not serve openly in the military. The only reason given is because some people might feel "uncomfortable". Tough crap! Many of you don't mind making people feel uncomfortable by open carrying. I'll tell you the same thing you (& I) tell them about OC - get the hell over it! Emotions have no place in the decision to restrict someones rights. Unless you're OK with emotionally based thinking when it's something you disagree with?
I don't want to know if you are gay or not. just don't openly let it be known. seams like being gay is the hip new trend. and I am just old and stuck in the middle age I guess. because Imo:there is nothing good about being gay. I am sure you will say that people are born with it. not going to ever agree on that.
If that's all you got you better go back to the ol' drawing board or better yet, get your head out of that certain someplace you can't seem to pull any real arguments out of because your head is in the way.
I can tell your head has been in that certain place for awhile,if you can't actually see that our country is turning into a socialist paradise as you put it.
You know what's really funny is that it's for the reasons you've listed above that Obama is in trouble with many people in his base. Pretty much all he's done (with a few shining exceptions) is continued on with the Bush/Republican policies that he was elected to change.
Yeah,not far left enough with his base. my God. it took a couple hundred years to get here. although he's god. it will take the next couple of years to totally destroy it. his policies for change are happening more and more everyday. you can gaurantee that he is working on getting back to his roots. there is another election in two years. he will start making you happy again. Freedom is just a small roadblock. he will get there. don't fret.
Sorry, I dIdn't reply sooner.
That's quiet all right. all we have to do is watch the news. and get the same argument.
I happen to have a life outside of INGO & don't just hang around waiting to post here all the time.
I hope you'll forgive me.
Btw: you can think what you want. I didn't know what a dittohead was. and I don't listen to Rush. he is annoying. I will admit. that I like Glenn Beck and Neal Boartz though.
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