Obama Confirmed Ineligible for Office?

[Panama]

Obama's "Hawaiian" obstetrician comes forward.

 

[Captain Bligh]

How can wanting the truth be so easily dismissed by anyone, as beating a dead horse, is beyond me.
Are you afraid of the truth?
Or is it just a case of, "well the government is going to hide this so why try"?
I'm guessing you just love Obama and are willing to ignore any violations to the Constitution under his watch.

I think we already have the truth. Birthers aren't willing to accept it. The difference between me and birthers is that if a Court examined irrefutable evidence and found President Obama ineligible, I WOULD believe it. I believe that many birthers, including some on this Board, will continue to see conspiracy regardless of evidence to the contrary -- because that's how they want it to come out. Certificate of Live Birth, video clip of POTUS being born during Hula Bowl half-time on the 50-yard line, family pictures of him laying in the Hawaiin nursery with a lei around his neck and wearing a grass skirt, Federal Court saying no merit -- doesn't matter. Many birthers are still going to be shouting conspiracy.

As for loving the guy, not hardly. However, I'm not ashamed to say I like him. Constitutional violations? Like what? No SCOTUS rulings on that. I was much more offended by liberties taken by the President George W. Bush administration.

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

 

[WHAT HAPPENED]

I think we already have the truth. Birthers aren't willing to accept it. The difference between me and birthers is that if a Court examined irrefutable evidence and found President Obama ineligible, I WOULD believe it. I believe that many birthers, including some on this Board, will continue to see conspiracy regardless of evidence to the contrary -- because that's how they want it to come out. Certificate of Live Birth, video clip of POTUS being born during Hula Bowl half-time on the 50-yard line, family pictures of him laying in the Hawaiin nursery with a lei around his neck and wearing a grass skirt, Federal Court saying no merit -- doesn't matter. Many birthers are still going to be shouting conspiracy.

As for loving the guy, not hardly. However, I'm not ashamed to say I like him. Constitutional violations? Like what? No SCOTUS rulings on that. I was much more offended by liberties taken by the President George W. Bush administration.

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

all you have is snopes???? really ???? SnOpEs?????
Well we OR at least I have LEGAL ACTION sources, look at all of my past post about the Birth.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Obama was born in kenya with an AK-47 in his hand at birth and a halo over his head.

he can do no wrong. hmmmm i wonder why no federal court will hear this case???? could it be that OBAMA has nominated one Supreme Court Justice and is due to now appoint another?? and maybe more by the time hes done fowling up the country. NO WAY judges are all impartial, they could never put their personal careers and aspirations before the law

 

[musclecarr]

 

[Captain Bligh]

all you have is snopes???? really ???? SnOpEs?????
Well we OR at least I have LEGAL ACTION sources, look at all of my past post about the Birth.

I'm much too lazy to look at all of your past posts. Would you please post a link to your most erudite post that makes it all so very clear? This might be your chance to convert a libtard. Who knows? Could happen.

 

[oldfb]

meh. Meh. Meh. You birthers are crazy racists beating a dead horse. Pelosi says he da man the courts say he da man. George w stole the election from Al Gore with his buddy Chad. I want my free healthcare. You all are conspiracy theory nutjobs.

If the courts were always correct and justice served there would be no appeals, no convictions overturned, no criminals released on procedural errors or acquitals.

Often criminals escape justice because all evidence is hidden or destroyed. President Obama has had his team invest enormous amounts of time and money ensuring evidence (records) never surface. He reminds me of the typical cartel or mafioso hiding behind technicalities and the system. Just because nothing has been proven does not mean he or his people are not dirty.

If someone kills ten people with video proof they are still considered innocent til proven guilty in court. If they then spend money or influence to hide,destroy or tamper with the tape and are found not guilty it doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime. Beating the rap doesn't make you truly innocent only free.

Fighting procedure to quash an investigation or hearing doesn't mean it never happened only that they weren't able to produce enough evidence or influence.

If the feds were investigating this I doubt the results would be the same.

 

[Expat]

I see this thread has gone the same way of several others. A subject with legitimate discussion is being carried out. I have some problems with both sides of the birth/citizenship issue and frankly still learn something each time it is brought up. But then the same group of liberal trolls shows up to shout down any discussion and soon the whole thread devolves into crap.

 

[JetGirl]

Trolls/die-hard-libs/or not...I'd still REALLY like this part explained to me... (I'm not trying to fling poo, I just really don't get how this wouldn't apply even if he was born in Kansas!)

See below:

As a Kenyan native, Obama’s father was a British subject so Barack's citizenship was governed by that British Nationality Act.

And the wording for that is:
“British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.”

If POTUS can't hold dual citizenship...then whaddup!?

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

No one should confuse me with being a troll or libtard. I accept that the Annointed On is our duly elected president, as distasteful as that is to me. We had a vote, the good guys lost. SCOTUS won't take it up. The House won't take it up. It's time to move on.

Rather than looking back like the libtards did for 8 years at Bush, we need to focus on the future which is two years away. We have an opportunity to right the wrong, but not if we stand in our little groups and sing the fruitcake song. Wee need to focus our efforts on informing others why he has destroyed America. Why opposing him and his ilk is not racism. Why family values are good for families. Non of these issues have anything to do with a birth certificate.

Sorry if that offends anyone. That's how I see it.

I see this thread has gone the same way of several others. A subject with legitimate discussion is being carried out. I have some problems with both sides of the birth/citizenship issue and frankly still learn something each time it is brought up. But then the same group of liberal trolls shows up to shout down any discussion and soon the whole thread devolves into crap.

 

[Captain Bligh]

I see this thread has gone the same way of several others. A subject with legitimate discussion is being carried out... But then the same group of liberal trolls shows up to shout down any discussion and soon the whole thread devolves into crap.

A legitimate discussion includes those that might have an opinion contrary to yours. Thinking differently doesn't make one a troll. Speaking a diverget opinion doesn't make one a troll. Calling "liberal troll" is its own shoutdown intent on silencing voices and opinions that are different.

Liberals own guns, too.

 

[WHAT HAPPENED]

During a December 2007 speech in Tampa Florida, Michelle Obama stated, “What it reminded me of was our trip to Africa, two years ago, and the level of excitement that we felt in that country – the hope that people saw just in the sheer presence of somebody like Barack Obama – a Kenyan, a black man, a man of great statesmanship who they believe could change the fate of the world.”
The comment is made after the 2 minute mark. Watch the clip below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnS7L8mnOo0&feature=player_embedded



It would be quite a stretch to claim that Michelle Obama means anything other than that Obama was born in Kenya when she says that the President is “Kenyan”. When it comes to the term “home country,” there’s a little wiggle room, but saying that Obama is “a Kenyan” seems to be reasonably cut and dried.
This seems as straightforward as saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger is Austrian, because he was born in Austria. Of course, under the terms of Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution, to be eligible to become President, an individual must be “a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States”. This prevents Schwarzenegger from ever becoming President, as it would make Obama’s presidency illegitimate if it was conclusively proven that he was born in Kenya.
We’ve largely sat on the fence regarding the whole “birther” issue, pointing out that there are legitimate arguments coming from both sides, but what’s not up for debate is the fact that Obama’s real name is Barry Soetoro, the name given to Obama at the time of his enrollment in an Indonesian elementary school.
Whatever the exact nature of the controversy, it seems inevitable that Obama is being blackmailed over his dubious origins, making it imperative that a proper investigation of the issue be conducted in the interests of both national security and the basic rule of law.

Meet the 'chubby boy with the curly hair': New photographs of Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia emerge | Mail Online

 

[oldfb]

Saying we should move on and focus on the future is like telling someone that has been robbed to not try to recover their property because it is too hard to find for the police.

Rape victims shouldn't bother with justice but instead should buy guns and learn self defense. Why shouldn't they do both?

Because you or Beck think birthers are stupid.

Most of the people who want to see this proof come to light don't insult those who say move on.

If we never find the answers we still can vote against later. They aren't mutually exclusive and if he is in violation more will see the light and realize how these politicians will stop at nothing to achieve their goals.

Disagree all you want but don't allow the machine to grind people down for wanting to know why all the effort to hide documents which would prove his case conclusively.

Unless there is something to hide it all seems suspect to me and many others.

 

[Rich.Carpenter]

Considering his foreign policy is so similar to Bush's, it is nice someone will admit that Bush's foreign policy was anti-American.

Sorry, but I don't see the similarity of which you speak.

 

[1943Izzy]

During a December 2007 speech in Tampa Florida, Michelle Obama stated, “What it reminded me of was our trip to Africa, two years ago, and the level of excitement that we felt in that country – the hope that people saw just in the sheer presence of somebody like Barack Obama – a Kenyan, a black man, a man of great statesmanship who they believe could change the fate of the world.”
The comment is made after the 2 minute mark. Watch the clip below.

YouTube - Michelle Obama: Barack Obama is a Kenyan and America is too mean



It would be quite a stretch to claim that Michelle Obama means anything other than that Obama was born in Kenya when she says that the President is “Kenyan”. When it comes to the term “home country,” there’s a little wiggle room, but saying that Obama is “a Kenyan” seems to be reasonably cut and dried.
This seems as straightforward as saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger is Austrian, because he was born in Austria. Of course, under the terms of Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution, to be eligible to become President, an individual must be “a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States”. This prevents Schwarzenegger from ever becoming President, as it would make Obama’s presidency illegitimate if it was conclusively proven that he was born in Kenya.
We’ve largely sat on the fence regarding the whole “birther” issue, pointing out that there are legitimate arguments coming from both sides, but what’s not up for debate is the fact that Obama’s real name is Barry Soetoro, the name given to Obama at the time of his enrollment in an Indonesian elementary school.
Whatever the exact nature of the controversy, it seems inevitable that Obama is being blackmailed over his dubious origins, making it imperative that a proper investigation of the issue be conducted in the interests of both national security and the basic rule of law.

Meet the 'chubby boy with the curly hair': New photographs of Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia emerge | Mail Online

My 76 year old mother sometimes refers to herself as Irish , she was born in Richmond.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Here is more of what I was talking about and how it has been viewed before.


Affirming that the world recognizes "birthrights" of the Father (not the mother), bloodline rather than birth place as the foundation for inherited citizenship by birthright

Natural-Born Citizen per Justice Ginsberg?

By JB Williams Wednesday, May 5, 2010
In the Supreme Court Case—Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS—Justice Ginsberg made the following statements… affirming that the world recognizes “birthrights” of the Father (not the mother), and bloodline rather than birth place as the foundation for inherited citizenship by birthright… aka, “natural-born citizenship.”


“Mr. Kneedler, I have a problem with it [Kneedler’s argument]. You would surely have a huge statelessness problem if you didn’t recognize that the child born abroad to U.S. citizens is a U.S. citizen because, as you point out, in most countries in the world, they go by blood, not by land of birth.”—“You call the child born abroad an alien, but in most places in the world that child would NOT be a citizen of the place in which that person is born; isn’t that so?”

• “Well, I thought you said in your brief that in most places, and I think it’s right, they do not go on just solely, they go on parentage.” “Mr. Kneedler, If Congress went back to the way it was when everything was determined by the father’s citizenship, go back to before 1934, suppose congress accepts your argument or we accept your argument and say plenary power, they can do whatever they damn please, so they say children born abroad of fathers who are U.S. citizens can become U.S. citizens, but not children who are born abroad of U.S. mothers where the father in an alien. That’s the way it used to be in the bad old days.” “Suppose Congress wants to restore the way it was, the way it was for most of our nation’s history, that the father’s citizenship gets transferred to the child, not the mother’s?”
• “You are talking to children not born to a marriage…”

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
TUAN ANH NGUYEN etal. v. IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
No. 99—2071. Argued January 9, 2001—Decided June 11, 2001

Petitioner Tuan Anh Nguyen was born out of wedlock in Vietnam to a Vietnamese citizen and copetitioner Joseph Boulais, a United States citizen. Nguyen became a lawful permanent United States resident at age six and was raised by Boulais. At age 22, Nguyen pleaded guilty in a Texas state court to two counts of sexual assault on a child. Subsequently, respondent Immigration and Naturalization Service initiated deportation proceedings against him based on his serious criminal offenses. The Immigration Judge ordered him deportable. Boulais obtained an order of parentage from a state court while Nguyen’s appeal was pending before the Board of Immigration Appeals, but the Board dismissed the appeal, rejecting Nguyen’s citizenship claim because he had not complied with 8 U.S.C. § 1409(a)‘s requirements for one born out of wedlock and abroad to a citizen father and a noncitizen mother. On appeal, the Fifth Circuit rejected petitioners’ claim that ¬ß1409 violates equal protection by providing different citizenship rules for children born abroad and out of wedlock depending on whether the citizen parent is the mother or the father.

From the decision—”§1409(a)(4) [DNA of the father] represents a reasonable legislative conclusion that the satisfaction of one of several alternatives will suffice to establish the father-child blood link required as a predicate to the child’s acquisition of citizenship.”
​

Ginsberg is clearly familiar with the Law of Nations, as were the Founding Fathers of the United States, and the birthright of children based upon the father’s bloodline, a matter of “natural law” recognized the world over.
She would also be familiar with the respected writings of Vattel in his 1758 book on the topic of “sovereign citizenship” from which the U.S. Founders borrowed the term “natural-born citizen” as a requirement for the offices of President and Vice President.
Vattel is VERY clear on the matter - “I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” - “The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;”
Our Founding Fathers were equally unambiguous - “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

Also from the decision—“Finally, even a facially neutral rule would sometimes require fathers to take additional affirmative steps which would not be required of mothers, whose names will be on the birth certificate as a result of their presence at the birth, and who will have the benefit of witnesses to the birth to call upon. Pp. 7—9.”
​

As we know, Barack Hussein Obama has thus far refused to release a 1961 birth certificate which he claims to possess, which will include time, date and place of birth, as well as witnesses to the birth. Obama has instead, offered three different 2007 COLBs (Certification of Live Birth), which are readily available to anyone with a Hawaiian street address as a form of ID and are purchased by those who do NOT have an actual birth certificate.
This not only affirms all of my previous works on the subject of Barack Hussein Obama and his ineligibility for the office of president, it confirms that even the most far left liberal member of the U.S. Supreme Court knows that Obama is NOT a “natural born citizen” of the United States, but rather a “natural born citizen” of his father’s country, Kenya.
On this basis, at the very best, Barack Hussein Obama II could be a “14th Amendment Citizen”—a naturalized “dual” citizen with “divided” national loyalties. He cannot hold the office of president or vice president.
This means that Barack Hussein Obama is NOT eligible for the office of president, and is therefore, an imposter, a fraud and a usurper of the U.S. Constitution. It also means that everyone in Washington DC is aware…and complicit in the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on U.S. citizens and the world.
Obama’s Department of Justice will never allow a single case over Obama’s eligibility to enter a courtroom, rushing DOJ lawyers around the country to file dismissals for Obama, based on “a lack of standing” on the part of U.S. citizens.
They already know that Obama is a fraud. They dare not allow any court in the land to hear the evidence, as they already know the most likely outcome of a trial that forces Obama to become a “transparent” president.


John F. Kennedy left behind two very pertinent quotes for this occasion…

• “A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
• “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

Oh, if only today’s Democrats had the backbone of JFK or Thomas Jefferson.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22835

 

[Captain Bligh]

...It would be quite a stretch to claim that Michelle Obama means anything other than that Obama was born in Kenya when she says that the President is “Kenyan”...

Not so much of a stretch for me. Lots of people say I'm "Irish," yet they were born in this country as were the parents and they have never seen Ireland.

John Kennedy said, "I am a Berliner" or something to that effect. It didn't mean he was born in Germany.

I've said I'm Dutch, but my Dutch ancestor came to this country before the American Revolution. I've never laid eyes on the motherland.

My wife has call me a bunch of things, too. It doesn't make it so.

 

[jeremy]

John Kennedy said, "I am a Berliner" or something to that effect. It didn't mean he was born in Germany.

Actually Johnny said "Ich bin ein Berliner", which means I am a Jelly Doughnut...

 

[Expat]

Actually Johnny said "Ich bin ein Berliner", which means I am a Jelly Doughnut...

Dang you jeremy, now I am going to be thinking about Krispy Kreme all morning...

 

[jeremy]

Dang you jeremy, now I am going to be thinking about Krispy Kreme all morning...

LOL...

Sorry, at least you can have Krispy Kreme...

On a side note I would vote for almost any person who puts their self on the Global stage and proclaims that they are a Jelly Doughnut...