NWI INGO General Post - Part 8

[CTC B4Z]

T444E being crap. That is the best v8 diesel they have ever built

 

[CTC B4Z]

Why do you, think I own one?

 

[MTN]

That's a sweet lookin truck CTC.

 

[CTC B4Z]

Ty sir

 

[melensdad]

T444E being crap. That is the best v8 diesel they have ever built

Well you can't (or couldn't) resleeve the 444 engines. The V8 will never be as smooth running as the inline 6. The V8 has less torque than the inline 6 of similar size. It is more complicated and higher maintanence than the inline 6.

An inline 6 cylinder will be smoother than a V-8 due to the configuration. The cylinders fire at 60 degree intervals, with three pistons going down and three going up, which naturally balances the engine. A lot of engineers agree this is optimal. A V-8 has pistons on one bank going back and forth at angles to the other bank. Of course this is balanced by heavy counterweights on the crankshaft. As far as being rigid, anyone think an inline 6 block is not rigid???

So it might be the best V8 ever made, but it sucks compared to the inline 6.

 

[CTC B4Z]

I'll balance a glass of the most expensive champagne you can afford on my Motor and we'll compare it to a 6bt.

 

[melensdad]

I'll balance a glass of the most expensive champagne you can afford on my Motor and we'll compare it to a 6bt.

I'm not arguing about your personal vehicle and your personal engine. I'm looking at the typical engine. Your personal engine may be atypical, but there is no way to argue that the typical V8 444 is as smooth as an inline 6.

Can you resleeve a 444?

Can you match the torque of a similar displacement inline 6?

Does the V8 have more injectors to clog and/or fail?

International/Navistar sold that 444 as their budget engine to fleets that couldn't afford better engines. It is what it is.

 

[jedi]

what is resleeve?

 

[Ericpwp]

Like sleeve of wizard...

 

[CTC B4Z]

Cannot resleeve 7.3, but I've never met one that needed one. Just rings and bearings. You cannot sleeve a 6bt either, that's the same Chassis class as the 444/7.3. Iirc the 444 had a lifespan of 325k. Well worth the start up cost. By time you get to that mileage the bus or truck it's in is shot anyway

 

[melensdad]

Iirc the 444 had a lifespan of 325k . . . By time you get to that mileage the bus or truck it's in is shot anyway

Uh, no. That is about 1/2 to 1/3 of the expected life of the truck!!!

So buying a truck with a 444 would require 2 or 3 engines before the truck is toast.

 

[aclark]

Car Topic....

Want to set up a detailing regiment for my new car, but lost in the thousands of online articles, each seeming to represent their own brand of products. Looking for some advice on a weekly/monthly routine. Thinking wash every week or two, with waxes/polishing/claybars at longer intervals, but no idea really.

 

[CTC B4Z]

No average vehicle makes it 250+ especially in our region. My bed is rotted, my car corners are done rust everywhere. I'm lucky, my truck is twice as good shape as half of these others I see come through. There is no way a typical truck can go over 250 before it falls apart

 

[Ericpwp]

Car Topic....

Want to set up a detailing regiment for my new car, but lost in the thousands of online articles, each seeming to represent their own brand of products. Looking for some advice on a weekly/monthly routine. Thinking wash every week or two, with waxes/polishing/claybars at longer intervals, but no idea really.

They had an article in a magazine lately that had a spray-on clear for the front end that peels off. It's like a bra. I was looking at this b/c I have tons of rock chips that are starting to rust. I need to touch them all up and go from there.

FWIW I bought my wife weathertech floorliners for Christmas. They were a godsend this winter.

 

[CTC B4Z]

No average vehicle makes it 250+ especially in our region. My bed is rotted, my car corners are done rust everywhere. I'm lucky, my truck is twice as good shape as half of these others I see come through. There is no way a typical truck can go over 250 before it falls apart

 

[Snapdragon]

deja vu

 

[Ericpwp]

You can say that again

 

[melensdad]

Car Topic....

Want to set up a detailing regiment for my new car, but lost in the thousands of online articles, each seeming to represent their own brand of products. Looking for some advice on a weekly/monthly routine. Thinking wash every week or two, with waxes/polishing/claybars at longer intervals, but no idea really.

Set it outside, pray for rain!

No average vehicle makes it 250+ especially in our region. My bed is rotted, my car corners are done rust everywhere. I'm lucky, my truck is twice as good shape as half of these others I see come through. There is no way a typical truck can go over 250 before it falls apart

My fleet ran far beyond that, often triple, and I know those who got more than I got.

Further, you are now changing the topic because you can't really defend that engine against the vastly superior inline 6 engines of the same output.

I'd put a DT 466 wet sleeve design up against the 444 for durability every day of the week. The Cat 31xx series, now the C7 series also far outclasses the 444 in every way.

The 444 can't match the bottom end torque of the inline 6 engines, which, when hauling a heavy load or pulling a big load, makes a difference.

 

[st33da]

Car Topic....

Want to set up a detailing regiment for my new car, but lost in the thousands of online articles, each seeming to represent their own brand of products. Looking for some advice on a weekly/monthly routine. Thinking wash every week or two, with waxes/polishing/claybars at longer intervals, but no idea really.

A weekly rinseless wash with a waterless wash pre-soak is ideal for maintenance. Follow that with a good quality sealant and your good to go for protection. Now if you are looking to increase gloss and clarity I would clay/decontaminate it followed by polishing it before applying the sealant. If you want more detailed info, or you want to have some hands on experience with products before you buy then feel free to send me a PM and I would be more than happy to show you some great products and proper technique.

 

[bigretic]

No average vehicle makes it 250+ especially in our region. My bed is rotted, my car corners are done rust everywhere. I'm lucky, my truck is twice as good shape as half of these others I see come through. There is no way a typical truck can go over 250 before it falls apart

meh, my 89 chevy 1500 4x4 had 267k when I sold it and sure the cab corners had holes, but it was by no means falling apart. Still looked good and went anywhere I told it to go. was never parked in a garage ever either. my current 96 bmw 740il has 213k+ and is just starting to show some rust on the lower doors and rear quarter corners.
I wouldn't say the 740 is an average vehicle, but the chevy sure was. guess I take care of them.