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[IndyDave1776]

Maybe these ladies are remembering that the onetime front runner in the gop race for president, Rick Santorum, came out against contraception. And many backed the moron up on his insane views. There certainly ARE people out there who would ban contraceptives and they're pretty much all in one political party.

Santorum would have had much potential had he not forgotten that he was running for president, not Pope. While I certainly would not expect him to check his values at the door, he really did seem to lose his grip on the job description for the job he was actually pursuing.

 

[level.eleven]

There are millions of people in this world that would ban contraception if given the choice. Just look at the Vat's stance in regard to Africa. AIDS is bad, but condoms are worse. Abstinence isn't the answer. It is a tool in the box, not the end of the project.

 

[dansgotguns]

Were talking about America, and refering to political parties.

 

[level.eleven]

Were talking about America, and refering to political parties.

We can tip-toe around the issue as you choose. It is your thread. That doesn't negate the facts.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Were talking about America, and refering to political parties.

I concur. What a German serving as the head of a microstate in Italy and a church has to say about reproduction and disease in Africa is truly irrelevant to the present political discussion regarding the United States.

I will still stand by my position that a person is entitled to all the contraception they can afford (which really is inexpensive) but not entitled to execute another human being for the offense of being inconvenient. To reiterate, use the pill and/or condoms all you like, but not on my dime (Barry, you hear that?).

 

[Survivalcookie]

This whole BS line from the left cracks me up...these stupid women, yes stupid are crying about spending 9 bucks a month for BC pills, but they will spend 40 bucks a month for a manni-pedi, they buy 6 and 7 dollar packs of cigarettes, they buy beer, It is all BS. The left acts as if the only thing on woman's fluffy little mind is can she get laid with out getting pregnant on the tax payers dime...and if she does get pregnant can she get rid of it.

And this is what I would ask this woman, is it more important for her to get laid with out fear of getting pregnant or if she does get pregnant killing the baby on the tax payers dime...better for our country than people having jobs. She is an idiot.

 

[Survivalcookie]

Me: Are you referring to the "Respect For Rights of Conscience Act " because if so noone is saying to get rid of these things. They are saying it is not your employers responsibility to pay for your birth control. It is yours. How is it the employers problem that you might have a baby? Or an std? And even if the GOP wanted to ban all contraceptives it has to go through the states. I really don't think the citizens are going to vote for such bans. If they do that is that states choice. The power needs to be at a state level for the states to decide what happens in their own state. And that is exactly what Romney wants to do. Smaller government more power to the states. No president can just decide to ban condoms. Noone wants to ban condoms, they don't want the employer to be obligated to pay for contraceptives. Which they shouldn't be. If you don't want an std know who your going to be with. If you don't want a baby, use a condom, or pull out, or don't have sex until your ready to have a kid. Or buy a seperate contraceptive. If you have some knowledge of someone flat out saying "I want to ban all contraceptives in America" than I will understand. Otherwise this is ridiculous, and I mean that with the utmost respect. I just can't wrap my head around how anyone is making a decision to take away contraceptives, the way I see it they don't want employees to have to pay for it. If you have evidence that says the GOP want to ban all contraceptives please bring it forward as I'm very interested. PS there is no study proving that the crime rate increase from loss of birth control is anywhere near the increase of crime rate from "gun control" the difference would be remarkable. And to say Obama doesn't want to take the guns is ridiculous he said so I heard him with my own ears. What about the UN arms treaty he pushed so hard for?? If it wasn't for the states it would've happened and we will more than likely be in a civil war right now. 2 hours ago · Like · Edit



Her: Just pull out. That about sums it all up for me. 1 hour ago · Like

Random lady: that is not a good thought,for sure..... also thing of all the men who have to be paying child support .... just had to throw that in.... there's only one way of thinking on that. 1 hour ago · Like



Me: NOONE WANTS TO GET RID OF CONTRACEPTIVE. they just don't want it to be mandatory for private hospitals to provide it and employers to pay for it. if they want to they can. It is unconstitutional for them to try to force them that is not what America supposed to be about. 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Random lady .#2 : 1. it is a medical issue, and should therefore be provided 2. just wondering whether people who are opposed to these places providing contraception are ALSO opposed to the availability of Viagra? 3. if people are opposed to abortion, then they' should support the availability of contraception-and as much of it as possible 4. for people who wanna make this a financial issue- you want contraception made available, or do you wanna pay for all those unexpected children who are gonna need government assistance? and then back to 1. again because i feel so strongly about it- it's a medical issue, so it should be covered. 14 minutes ago · Edited · Like



Me: It is not a medical issue, having a baby is not a diagnoses. Let me make an equation for you. Penis + vagina = baby. Do we all agree on that? Ok so that is your equation every time you have sex. Why should your employer pay for you to change the outcome of your equation?? Also NOONE IS OPPOSED TO THE CONTRACEPTIVES JUST OPPOSED TONITE BEING

I have had this argument many times...ask her why she thinks that babies born alive during an abortion should be thrown in a trash can to die or stabbed in the neck with scissors until it dies... Obama thinks this is ok.

 

[Survivalcookie]

I concur. What a German serving as the head of a microstate in Italy and a church has to say about reproduction and disease in Africa is truly irrelevant to the present political discussion regarding the United States.

I will still stand by my position that a person is entitled to all the contraception they can afford (which really is inexpensive) but not entitled to execute another human being for the offense of being inconvenient. To reiterate, use the pill and/or condoms all you like, but not on my dime (Barry, you hear that?).

You are 100 percent correct.

 

[mrjarrell]

I concur. What a German serving as the head of a microstate in Italy and a church has to say about reproduction and disease in Africa is truly irrelevant to the present political discussion regarding the United States.

I will still stand by my position that a person is entitled to all the contraception they can afford (which really is inexpensive) but not entitled to execute another human being for the offense of being inconvenient. To reiterate, use the pill and/or condoms all you like, but not on my dime (Barry, you hear that?).

It is relevant when one of the candidates and his followers bring that stance up and insert it into the debate. Santorum did just that and proved that he and his radical religious viewpoints DO have a following amongst certain elements in the gop. Even many non-catholics backed him and his ideas, because there was enough overlap between theirs religious backed agenda and his. Fortunately, he fell by the wayside, due to his moronic viewpoints. But, the element that supported him is still here. Thus it is relevant.

 

[rat-man]

I take the stance of "when in doubt, get the government out," especially with the abortion issue. I agree 100% with the Libertarian Party's official platform position on abortion:

"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

 

[HoughMade]

I take the stance of "when in doubt, get the government out," especially with the abortion issue. I agree 100% with the Libertarian Party's official platform position on abortion:

"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

I feel the same way about murder. Who is the government to judge?

 

[deanwirth]

So imagine life like it was a few hundred years ago. When people took responsibility for their actions. Had kids when thy could afford to, or could attempt to. Birth control is a good thing, yes, but allows people to be less careful and responsible. I understand sex is an important part of a relationship, but I also believe it was designed with a purpose: to conceive a child. There are other ways to maintain a physical intimacy. And as far as abortion and womens rights, its all changes on a circumstantial basis. I do not believe that my tax dollars should go towards a mother that continues to have children with multiple men. It does not make sense and our government practically rewards this behavior.

 

[rat-man]

I feel the same way about murder. Who is the government to judge?

was this supposed to be purple?

 

[atheist-gun-toter]

I feel the same way about murder. Who is the government to judge?

I believe that abortion should be a right in terms of rape, incest, emergency (as in the mother deciding to abort or die) otherwise a woman should not use abortion as birth control. If she cant be responsible then she shouldnt have sex. The issue with birth control is that if abortion is bad let women who wish to do as they please have an option to not have children as opposed to aborting once they are pregnant. Its not really fair to assume all liberals want to kill babies just as its not fair to assume conservatives often use logic. Regardless of whether you think someone being raped is the will of god or not then you should also make a law that the rapist must pay the father 50 pieces of silver and marry her. Otherwise women now have rights that almost no women in history have had. Its easy for men to decide these actions. We dont know what its like. If your wife was raped and had a child how would you feel? The quote in question is obviously someone who is emotionally propagandized into whatever she feels. I think its just as important to maintain women's rights as it is to bare arms.

 

[rat-man]

I believe that abortion should be a right in terms of rape, incest, emergency (as in the mother deciding to abort or die) otherwise a woman should not use abortion as birth control. If she cant be responsible then she shouldnt have sex.

Condoms never break, and chemical contraceptives always work.

 

[littletommy]

Well, this has turned into a liberal love in, hasn't it?

 

[dansgotguns]

You do realize that America will never ban abortion right? The people would never allow it, that's like one of the smallest parts of tgis arguement.

I believe that abortion should be a right in terms of rape, incest, emergency (as in the mother deciding to abort or die) otherwise a woman should not use abortion as birth control. If she cant be responsible then she shouldnt have sex. The issue with birth control is that if abortion is bad let women who wish to do as they please have an option to not have children as opposed to aborting once they are pregnant. Its not really fair to assume all liberals want to kill babies just as its not fair to assume conservatives often use logic. Regardless of whether you think someone being raped is the will of god or not then you should also make a law that the rapist must pay the father 50 pieces of silver and marry her. Otherwise women now have rights that almost no women in history have had. Its easy for men to decide these actions. We dont know what its like. If your wife was raped and had a child how would you feel? The quote in question is obviously someone who is emotionally propagandized into whatever she feels. I think its just as important to maintain women's rights as it is to bare arms.

 

[steveh_131]

If you really insist on rolling in the mud with these particular pigs, I would recommend doing some spelling and grammar checks before posting.

And be specific about which GOP politicians you are defending. Because many of them would gladly ban contraception if they could.

 

[dansgotguns]

Eh

 

[steveh_131]

well...you did ask for help