need politcal help ASAP

[Rookie]

Yup.

 

[rockhopper46038]

The convo has gotten outrageous anyone want me to post the whole story?

Oh, by all means...

 

[Rookie]

 

[24Carat]

It would make for a fantastic experiment in Natural Selection and Self Determination. No birth control = milling hordes of inbred zombies, could be fun !

 

[Lucas156]

Ok your opinion differs from hers-I understand that but why do you let people with opposing opinions make you so mad? I guess everyone gets to the point that they don't care what other people think. I just don't see the big deal. Maybe if she made a more coherent point it could have gotten a rise out of me; but it looked like a bunch of rambling vagueness to me.

 

[littletommy]

The problem is, no matter how dumb this person may be, there are plenty of dumber people who will read her words, or converse with her on a daily basis, and buy into her idiotic thinking. There is no bottom to the dumb hole.

 

[Rookie]

Dumb hole. Lol.

 

[Mark 1911]

It would make for a fantastic experiment in Natural Selection and Self Determination. No birth control = milling hordes of inbred zombies, could be fun !

And birth control breeds something positive? If it bred anything at all, then it must have failed by definition.

 

[LPMan59]

It would make for a fantastic experiment in Natural Selection and Self Determination. No birth control = milling hordes of inbred zombies, could be fun !

you've never been to the southside of Muncie, have you?

 

[Jarhead77]

I'd simply answer this person with what has already been said. You can do whatever you want to with your body so long as you don't FORCE someone else to pay for it. I don't have to agree with what you do,or don't do, to your body, you have to answer for it, either to yourself or a higher power. NO government will ever succeed in legislating morality or a lack of it.

 

[dansgotguns]

Ok your opinion differs from hers-I understand that but why do you let people with opposing opinions make you so mad? I guess everyone gets to the point that they don't care what other people think. I just don't see the big deal. Maybe if she made a more coherent point it could have gotten a rise out of me; but it looked like a bunch of rambling vagueness to me.

I got so mad because she was refering to me as caring about.my gun rights and not my widest woman rights

 

[dansgotguns]

Me: Are you referring to the "Respect For Rights of Conscience Act " because if so noone is saying to get rid of these things. They are saying it is not your employers responsibility to pay for your birth control. It is yours. How is it the employers problem that you might have a baby? Or an std? And even if the GOP wanted to ban all contraceptives it has to go through the states. I really don't think the citizens are going to vote for such bans. If they do that is that states choice. The power needs to be at a state level for the states to decide what happens in their own state. And that is exactly what Romney wants to do. Smaller government more power to the states. No president can just decide to ban condoms. Noone wants to ban condoms, they don't want the employer to be obligated to pay for contraceptives. Which they shouldn't be. If you don't want an std know who your going to be with. If you don't want a baby, use a condom, or pull out, or don't have sex until your ready to have a kid. Or buy a seperate contraceptive. If you have some knowledge of someone flat out saying "I want to ban all contraceptives in America" than I will understand. Otherwise this is ridiculous, and I mean that with the utmost respect. I just can't wrap my head around how anyone is making a decision to take away contraceptives, the way I see it they don't want employees to have to pay for it. If you have evidence that says the GOP want to ban all contraceptives please bring it forward as I'm very interested. PS there is no study proving that the crime rate increase from loss of birth control is anywhere near the increase of crime rate from "gun control" the difference would be remarkable. And to say Obama doesn't want to take the guns is ridiculous he said so I heard him with my own ears. What about the UN arms treaty he pushed so hard for?? If it wasn't for the states it would've happened and we will more than likely be in a civil war right now. 2 hours ago · Like · Edit



Her: Just pull out. That about sums it all up for me. 1 hour ago · Like

Random lady: that is not a good thought,for sure..... also thing of all the men who have to be paying child support .... just had to throw that in.... there's only one way of thinking on that. 1 hour ago · Like



Me: NOONE WANTS TO GET RID OF CONTRACEPTIVE. they just don't want it to be mandatory for private hospitals to provide it and employers to pay for it. if they want to they can. It is unconstitutional for them to try to force them that is not what America supposed to be about. 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Random lady .#2 : 1. it is a medical issue, and should therefore be provided 2. just wondering whether people who are opposed to these places providing contraception are ALSO opposed to the availability of Viagra? 3. if people are opposed to abortion, then they' should support the availability of contraception-and as much of it as possible 4. for people who wanna make this a financial issue- you want contraception made available, or do you wanna pay for all those unexpected children who are gonna need government assistance? and then back to 1. again because i feel so strongly about it- it's a medical issue, so it should be covered. 14 minutes ago · Edited · Like



Me: It is not a medical issue, having a baby is not a diagnoses. Let me make an equation for you. Penis + vagina = baby. Do we all agree on that? Ok so that is your equation every time you have sex. Why should your employer pay for you to change the outcome of your equation?? Also NOONE IS OPPOSED TO THE CONTRACEPTIVES JUST OPPOSED TONITE BEING

 

[Bunnykid68]

Sounds like that was written by a woman, tell her if she does not have sex she will not get pregnant or STD's. It really is that simple

 

[hoosiersasquatch]

How interested are you in keeping this person as a friend? Use at your own peril.

"Let's deal with the birth control issue first. The GOP is not trying to restrict birth control. It is only against forcing other people to pay for yours, your daughters, or anyone else's. You claim to want control over your body, exercise control by being responsible enough to pay for your own birth control. If you cannot, you are too immature to have sex. Exercise control over your own body by keeping your legs together. It's your right.

As for abortion, I refuse to subject an innocent life to the death penalty to preserve your or anyone else's right to NOT exercise control over your own body. Please see the closed leg option above.

Based upon your post, I am afraid that the skill of critical thinking has escaped you. You have refused to look at the facts of the birth-control issue and have accepted the lies of propaganda. Perhaps the best result for society as whole is for you to exercise the closed leg option and to impress upon your daughters the importance of the same, as people with your mindset, for the good of society, should not reproduce."

Houghmade, you stated that perfectly,
Being responsible for your own actions and paying your way is in no way a restriction of your freedom, if fact, I think it is a important part of it.
If you want to enslave a society, make them dependent.

 

[dansgotguns]

FORCED. Please get the facts right. 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Her: It IS a medical issue. Uh I can think of three people I personally know who use bc right now for medical reasons and NOT to prevent pregnancy. And any male to argue that pregnancy is not a medical issue is ignorant. 1 hour ago · Like · 1


Her: Penis plus vagina doesn't equal pregnancy. Sperm plus egg equals potential for pregnancy. 1 hour ago · Like

Her: Who asked my employer to pay for my prescriptions? I expect my insurance company to cover it. I expect a pharmacist to fill my prescription. 1 hour ago · Like


Me: I under.stand very small percentage of America. needs birth control for purposes have nothing to do with having a baby having a baby. I would like to point out that so far we have only been talking about using contraceptives to prevent making a baby and STDs 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Her: Soooo those people who use it for another purpose shouldn't have it covered? 1 hour ago · Like

Her: Because some religious zealot doesn't believe in it? 1 hour ago · Like

Me: there is absolutely noone talking about not having birth control pills at a pharmacy

 

[dansgotguns]

Me: what they're pushing for employers to not have to offer it in their insurance. and hospitals not to have to offer it if they are a privately owned hospital 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Her: You are wrong. And please please please stop yourself from ever again letting the phrase pull out escape your lips or fingers unless you're talking about troops in a foreign land. 1 hour ago · Like

Her: And again, why shouldn't employers have to offer it in their insurance plans?!?! 1 hour ago · Like

Me: What am I wrong about please specify (with supporting evidence please). If I am wrong about anything I want to get it clarified. 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Her: Answer my question. Why shouldn't bc be included in insurance? 1 hour ago · Like

Me: To your last question. Anyone who thinks its ok for the Federal Government to tell businesses how to run their businesses is unamerican. This is not Nazi Germany. The federal government should not be able to tell my employer it has to offer me any specific thing. And it should not be telling me I have to have insurance.

 

[Roadie]

FORCED. Please get the facts right. 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Her: It IS a medical issue. Uh I can think of three people I personally know who use bc right now for medical reasons and NOT to prevent pregnancy. And any male to argue that pregnancy is not a medical issue is ignorant. 1 hour ago · Like · 1


Her: Penis plus vagina doesn't equal pregnancy. Sperm plus egg equals potential for pregnancy. 1 hour ago · Like

Her: Who asked my employer to pay for my prescriptions? I expect my insurance company to cover it. I expect a pharmacist to fill my prescription. 1 hour ago · Like


Me: I under.stand very small percentage of America. needs birth control for purposes have nothing to do with having a baby having a baby. I would like to point out that so far we have only been talking about using contraceptives to prevent making a baby and STDs 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Her: Soooo those people who use it for another purpose shouldn't have it covered? 1 hour ago · Like

Her: Because some religious zealot doesn't believe in it? 1 hour ago · Like

Me: there is absolutely noone talking about not having birth control pills at a pharmacy

BC Pills are on the "cheap" list at WalMart and other Pharmacies. They are also available on the cheap at Planned Parenthood.

Most insurances that don't cover BC pills for birth control, DO cover them for medical reasons.

Her "insurance paying for them" shows she is clueless who PAYS for her insurance..

 

[dansgotguns]

Her: Sooooooo you oppose Romney care? 1 hour ago · Like

Her: And yes. Corrupt insurance companies and corporations that would deprive employees of adequate care need someone to hold them accountable. 1 hour ago · Like

Her: What I see here is a young man who has many years of learning ahead of him. But currently has a set opinion on what he thinks. There's no point in arguing further with you. 1 hour ago · Like

Her: I'm done. I know where I stand. It's with my daughters and my sons who I don't want having children before they are ready or capable of supporting on their own without help from mom or dad. 1 hour ago · Like

Random lady #2 (named Melissa) has Danny ever had sex??? "If you don't want a baby, use a condom, or pull out, or don't have sex until your ready to have a kid. Or buy a seperate contraceptive"-extremely naive... it is a medical issue because for many women, an unwanted pregnancy would result in physical illness and emotional stress- that's not even counting financial and societal factors. 1 hour ago · Edited · Like

Me: Hey Melissa I sure have, on a regular basis. And I have a baby. And guess what she's on birth control now. And guess what?? I PAY FOR IT. 1 hour ago · Like · Edit

Me: One more time, NOONE WANTS TO GET RID OF CONTRACEPTIVES. They just don't want the government forcing employers to pay for it. Or forcing private hospitals to provide it. Let me ask you this, if Walmart didn't want to sell milk should we make them? After all a lot people want milk. And they don't desk like going to Target they want Walmart. Should we force Walmart to carry milk? Same thing should we make hospitals have contraceptives? Or make them perform or not perform abortions? That is their choice. It is their business.

 

[mrjarrell]

Maybe these ladies are remembering that the onetime front runner in the gop race for president, Rick Santorum, came out against contraception. And many backed the moron up on his insane views. There certainly ARE people out there who would ban contraceptives and they're pretty much all in one political party.

 

[Roadie]

Her: Who asked my employer to pay for my prescriptions? I expect my insurance company to cover it. I expect a pharmacist to fill my prescription. 1 hour ago · Like

I just have to reiterate how utterly CLUELESS she is.. it would be very rare for her to have an employer that does not contribute ANYTHING to her insurance. If they are, then yes, THEY are paying for part of her Rx's