ND at Boone County Courthouse

[HoughMade]

Except that's not the definition of "accident".

I am all for making that differentiation, but to be accurate, an accident is unintended, unexpected and sudden. Negligent is unintended as well. Negligent (generally) fits under the umbrella of "accident", definitionally.

If we want to say: negligent discharge vs. mechanical failure leading to unintended discharge, fine, that would be accurate. Perhaps "accidental discharge" shouldn't be used at all as it is imprecise.

 

[chipbennett]

Except that's not the definition of "accident".

I was referring (with admittedly poor wording) to the OSHA definition of "accident", which is "as an unplanned event that results in personal injury or property damage."

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Bottom line: if it weren't for unintended firearm discharges caused by human negligence, there would essentially be NO stories about guns "going off".

Have I told you about my 870 at Shootrite?

 

[T.Lex]

Have I told you about my 870 at Shootrite?

blah blah blah

One handed loading, slamfire...

yadda yadda yadda

Partner vouched for you...

the thing then the other thing

INGO safety nanny was born.

 

[chipbennett]

Have I told you about my 870 at Shootrite?

And thus, you make my point: the mechanical failure of the trigger on the 870 was a pretty big black eye for Remington, and was reported as a screw up by the manufacturer, not as operator error by operatorationally operating operators.

 

[jcwit]

To all you safety experts, let the rest of us know when you create the perfect world, with the freedoms we now still have!

BTW, this goes for all aspects of life, not just the shooting sports.






WOW, NASCAR with no bent fenders.

 

[searpinski]

Make sure this isn't you!

 

[HoughMade]

To all you safety experts, let the rest of us know when you create the perfect world, with the freedoms we now still have!

BTW, this goes for all aspects of life, not just the shooting sports...

I want to make sure i have this straight:

1) We have an inalienable right to negligent discharges.

2) Why emphasize safety because negligent discharges are inevitable.

 

[JettaKnight]

So pray tell explain how you handle a firearm at the Indy 500?

You don't - just enjoy the race.



If you're asking about gun shows - I don't handle my carry weapon. It's not for show and tell, it stays in its holster. This deputy should have had the same rule.

 

[jcwit]

I want to make sure i have this straight:

1) We have an inalienable right to negligent discharges.

Did I say that???????????????????????????????????????????????

Not to my knowledge!

 

[jcwit]

I want to make sure i have this straight:



2) Why emphasize safety because negligent discharges are inevitable.

Safety? Yes

But we the people running this world are imperfect, therefore ***** happens.

We should get so worked up over drunk drivers. Far more deaths!

 

[bwframe]

To all you safety experts, let the rest of us know when you create the perfect world, with the freedoms we now still have!

BTW, this goes for all aspects of life, not just the shooting sports...

Perfect world is already here. We have never ever had so many safe, well trained, gun handlers.
We only have to teach a very small percentage of those stubborn folk "too smart" to learn standard accepted safety rules.
Darwin is on our side as long as we can keep them pointing their muzzles at themselves instead of us.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I was referring (with admittedly poor wording) to the OSHA definition of "accident", which is "as an unplanned event that results in personal injury or property damage."

I've no idea why OSHA matters, but I'm sure you know the difference between a noun and an adverb.

In the end, I suspect the semantics argument will prevent zero accident shootings, negligent or otherwise. Training yourself and others to visually and physically check the mag well/cylinder and chamber before pulling the trigger will. Proper holsters and holstering will. Etc.

 

[jcwit]

Perfect world is already here. We have never ever had so many safe, well trained, gun handlers.
We only have to teach a very small percentage of those stubborn folk "too smart" to learn standard accepted safety rules.
Darwin is on our side as long as we can keep them pointing their muzzles at themselves instead of us.

You really have a lot to learn!

Beliving in a perfect world is a total act of folly.

Or do you believe you are truly a God?

 

[bwframe]

You really have a lot to learn!
...
Or do you believe you are truly a God?

I'm always learning. That's different from some, eh?

Not quite god-like yet, but working on it. I know where my gun gets pointed though and I'm happy to educate you how to handle yours safely.

 

[rhino]

I'm interested by the people who have never had a negligent discharge, especially by those who believe it can't happen to them.

I've had them. More than once in the past during pistol matches, my trigger finger found its way onto the trigger before I was genuinely ready to fire. All of those rounds hit a backstop and in most cases they hit the the target, but the trigger press was not by my conscious effort. I consider those negligent discharges and I've taken great pains to train myself to avoid them.

I've seen many, many negligent discharges on the range. Just because the muzzle was pointed in a safe direction doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[chipbennett]

I'm interested by the people who have never had a negligent discharge, especially by those who believe it can't happen to them.

That's a curious class of people, to be sure - primarily because of the specious belief that it *can't* happen to them. There's a difference between belief that something can't happen, and the belief that something can happen, but is entirely preventable through constant vigilance.

 

[HoughMade]

I'm interested by the people who have never had a negligent discharge, especially by those who believe it can't happen to them...

I've never had one.

If I make a mistake, I may.

It is not inevitable that I will.

The more I follow the rules, the less chance I will.

To my knowledge, no one here has claimed they are immune, only that it won't happen unless they make a mistake.

 

[bwframe]

I'm interested by the people who have never had a negligent discharge, especially by those who believe it can't happen to them.

I've had them. More than once in the past during pistol matches, my trigger finger found its way onto the trigger before I was genuinely ready to fire. All of those rounds hit a backstop and in most cases they hit the the target, but the trigger press was not by my conscious effort. I consider those negligent discharges and I've taken great pains to train myself to avoid them.

I've seen many, many negligent discharges on the range. Just because the muzzle was pointed in a safe direction doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I think there needs to be different terminology. In my mind, your "negligence" of touching off a round early that stops in the berm is not the same as one sent over the berm on a reload or into the ground by our feet. There is a vast difference between your finger on the trigger when it can be and when it specifically shouldn't be.

 

[rhino]

I think there needs to be different terminology. In my mind, your "negligence" of touching off a round early that stops in the berm is not the same as one sent over the berm on a reload or into the ground by our feet. There is a vast difference between your finger on the trigger when it can be and when it specifically shouldn't be.

Sure, there is a huge difference . . . in the end results. The actual event is unintentional and a result of negligence in both cases in my opinion.