Multiple dead in shootings at multiple mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand

[snorko]

When he got to the prayer room, someone rushed him and sadly was about a half second too slow. A brave soul.

 

[Dead Duck]

I think that was all his Killer play list.

 

[cbhausen]

The “swarm” technique the brave passengers on United Flight 93 used to defeat their hijacker is applicable to situations like this as well... in the absence of an armed good guy, the thing to do is FIGHT! with every ounce of your being. The cowardly little prick may have shot several, maybe even half of what he did but eventually would have been stopped. Not trying to sound anti-gun here; I’d much rather have seen HIS brains splattered all over that green carpet by a GGWAG but for Christ’s (or whatever you believe in’s) sake, FIGHT, DAMNIT! Don’t die without a FIGHT!

 

[miguel]

I think that was all his Killer play list.

Jesus, he has bad taste in music! Has to be an 8 chan guy, based on the last song in the video.

It seemed like he did not take a shot at some people standing on the sidewalk as he made the u-turn into the parking lot?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

It's called "remove kebab", and it's another meme.

That's why this is such a complex incident. Most of the world don't know any of the references he made.

 

[JeepHammer]

THOUGHT, WORD & DEED.

You get a stupid thought in your head...
You speak of this to others, in this case, like minded people with a head full of worms & acid,
Then you do the deed.

THOUGHT, WORD & DEED.

If these thoughts of classifying a particular race, religion, social class as 'Animals' is running though your head, then you have issues and need professional help IMMEDIATELY.

If you know someone that's constantly ranting about people as sub-human, then YOU NEED TO TELL SOMEONE IMMEDIATELY!

The issue with this guy was he 'Lived' mostly on the internet, in the synthetic, on-line world where he could hide...
Since he thought he needed to hide, he KNEW he was wrong, same with anyone that needs to wear a mask (KKK or ANTIFA).
If you need to hide behind the internet to locate people this crazy then you KNOW you are wrong, like NAZIs.

It's not the firearms that form intent to commit murder, but the firearms make it a whole lot easier for 'Crazy' to commit murder...
And this will probably put New Zealand on the same track as Australia in regards to firearms.

When you read these stupid, hateful, fear driven thoughts as WORDS, SPEAK UP!
Point out the core, fundamental flaws & inaccuracy, outright propaganda lies being passed around.

All it takes for 'Evil' to prevail is good men doing nothing. Don't do NOTHING!

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I may be a crippled 60 year old, but I WILL defend the Constitution which grants the right to religion.
I belong to no religion but if needed I would patrol & stand watch so others CAN practice their religion.
I did it for 16 years as an active duty US Marine, and my oath to the Constitution didn't go away when I became inactive...

That's a Church, Synagogue, Mosque or whatever, same as I would a school or other public gathering point.
And old man & 'Obsolete' SR25 or AR15 *Might* be another victim, but it also might be the difference...

 

[Ark]

My thing is how come no one else had a gun.

Simple. The government keeps people unarmed and helpless. The NZ AG has already declared there will be a blanket ban of semi-auto firearms in retaliation. Keep people defenseless, tragedies happen, use tragedies to make people more defenseless and concentrate government power further. The gun grabber cycle.

 

[jamil]

In retaliation is a good way of characterizing it. That’s exactly the sentiment.

 

[mammynun]

His gun skills were way below sub par.

I just cant get over the calmness. If youre killing im assuming theres going to be emotion and hate will be shown. This is just nuts.

Below par based on what? I haven't heard if he had any military training in his past, but I have to think that if he had we'd all know it by now.... so I'm working under the assumption that he had not. From that position I see a civilian that trained/practiced on his own to gain enough proficiency to perform multiple mag changes and clear (at least) one malfunction with an AR. He had more issues with his pump shotgun(s) which are, arguably, less difficult to operate when they're ditched instead of reloading.

While he did appear to be calm in an eerie sociopathic way, I think his dropping of multiple full AR mags and his inability to keep track of the status of his pump shotgun(s) points to his feelings of stress, which is evidenced by his weapons handling proficiency deteriorating as his spree progressed. He also neglected any room off the main hallway if the door was closed, though it's possible that he knew there were no targets behind them (had he rehearsed/walked the ground?).

So from a dispassionate look at his horribly misguided actions, I'd argue that he started out efficiently, and his efficiency (thankfully) dropped as stress built. This is especially true if it turns out that he was also the shooter at the 2nd mosque as you would think that efficiency would increase with experience, but it didn't. I think that the lack of increased efficiency is the result of increased stress overriding increased experience.

In short, I think his weapons handling was better than a vast majority of firearm owners and that stress caused the deleterious effects on his handling the longer the crime progressed. I've seen many people, under zero stress, take much longer to clear a malfunction. I would develop this theory at trial against his defense teams claim of insanity/diminished capacity... he deserves the max under NZ law, whatever that is.

 

[Hookeye]

THOUGHT, WORD & DEED.

You get a stupid thought in your head...
You speak of this to others, in this case, like minded people with a head full of worms & acid,
Then you do the deed.

THOUGHT, WORD & DEED.

If these thoughts of classifying a particular race, religion, social class as 'Animals' is running though your head, then you have issues and need professional help IMMEDIATELY.

If you know someone that's constantly ranting about people as sub-human, then YOU NEED TO TELL SOMEONE IMMEDIATELY!

The issue with this guy was he 'Lived' mostly on the internet, in the synthetic, on-line world where he could hide...
Since he thought he needed to hide, he KNEW he was wrong, same with anyone that needs to wear a mask (KKK or ANTIFA).
If you need to hide behind the internet to locate people this crazy then you KNOW you are wrong, like NAZIs.

It's not the firearms that form intent to commit murder, but the firearms make it a whole lot easier for 'Crazy' to commit murder...
And this will probably put New Zealand on the same track as Australia in regards to firearms.

When you read these stupid, hateful, fear driven thoughts as WORDS, SPEAK UP!
Point out the core, fundamental flaws & inaccuracy, outright propaganda lies being passed around.

All it takes for 'Evil' to prevail is good men doing nothing. Don't do NOTHING!

----------

I may be a crippled 60 year old, but I WILL defend the Constitution which grants the right to religion.
I belong to no religion but if needed I would patrol & stand watch so others CAN practice their religion.
I did it for 16 years as an active duty US Marine, and my oath to the Constitution didn't go away when I became inactive...

That's a Church, Synagogue, Mosque or whatever, same as I would a school or other public gathering point.
And old man & 'Obsolete' SR25 or AR15 *Might* be another victim, but it also might be the difference...

Professional help..........my arse. Most mass shooters have been helped.

I think society not forcing proper behavior is the problem.
Too many think a class or a pill will fix things.
Nobody wants to address the problems directly.
Even after some crazy kills a bunch of people...............today's liberal BS society still won't address the problem.
My guess is that the shooter was a horses arse since little.

 

[Hookeye]

Asking for the thought police might make you feel good now, but when McD's F's up your order for the 10th time and you go on a rant.............you might just disappear,
Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Trigger Time]

I think people should be free to hate whoever they want. Thankfully so does our constitution.
There is a HUGE difference between someone hating someone or a group for whatever the reason, and going and murdering people.
HUGE ****ing difference.
Im not a fan of the thought police either but thats another way the left trys to control people to have ultimate power. Then when they have the power and the guns the LEFT will be the ones killing people like the nazis did.
Won't be the right.

 

[Hookeye]

As for the shooters abilities........

He appeared to me to be somebody that wasn't a klutz.
His calm during the shoot...........that's just part of the crazy.

I saw nothing that suggested training or competence.
Just a gamer that swapped mags a few times in his bedroom and spent a day at the range.

Poor folks at the mosque...........fish in a barrel.

I think the shooter had the drive, more than any skill.
Thankfully somebody acted and stopped the carnage at 2nd mosque.

Respect for the dude at the first mosque that tried.

 

[Hookeye]

Red Flag Laws are a Pandora's box.
The old women would turn you in for just playing this.......

[video=youtube_share;iTFso9wnXxo]https://youtu.be/iTFso9wnXxo[/video]

 

[BigRed]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...active-shooter-situation-christchurch-n983571

At least two mosques were shot up in Christchurch, NZ. One person is in custody so far, reported to be an Australian man.

I'll add this to my file of "Answers for those who question why I am well armed when I go to church."

 

[BigRed]

Holy ****... watch at your own risk:

Edit: Facebook removed link. The video is out there for those who want to see it.

The big take away for me other than the pure viciousness of this individual was how unfettered the act was. This is what happens in a country that is largely disarmed. Where were the police, where were the armed citizens? This could have easily been cut short had someone armed been around to stop him.

Where is the video?

 

[BugI02]

It's called "remove kebab", and it's another meme.

That's why this is such a complex incident. Most of the world don't know any of the references he made.

What's your take on the obscure inclusions? Dog whistling to the like minded or complexity included to ensure it is topic A for as long as possible, dissected over and over in great detail in a search for meaning?

The meaning that so few ever seem to derive is that evil exists

 

[Expat]

I'll add this to my file of "Answers for those who question why I am well armed when I go to church."

I do as well, but after watching that video it makes me feel underarmed...

 

[JeepHammer]

Asking for the thought police might make you feel good now, but when McD's F's up your order for the 10th time and you go on a rant.............you might just disappear,
Be careful what you wish for.

This begs the question, If McBurger screws up your order 10 times in a row, why do you go back to McBurger?

I would think it was so you could rant about the service since you already KNOW they are going to screw it up.

 

[wagyu52]

Don’t think the guy was rushing him, he was already past the shooters 6:00 with his right shoulder and was turned headed down the hallway when he came into camera view. He had the only chance and would have had a chance for a perfect blind side tackle.