Monroe Lake Dam NO GUNS

[kel-tecfan]

I did not proceed because I wasn't certain what the legal aspect. I contacted my district representative Erin Houchin via her website to see if she could find out who placed it there and if it's legal. Indiana passed the permit less carry bill HEA 1296-2022, about two years ago.

 

[Cavman]

Looks like a no ruger p89 sign to me

 

[patience0830]

Corps of engineer property, I believe.

 

[Cameramonkey]

IANAL, but unless this is managed by Army Corp of Engineers, this sign is improper.

 

[KLB]

Your answer is on the sign

https://www.usace.army.mil/Portals/2/docs/EP1165-2-316.pdf

327.13 Explosives, firearms, other weapons and fireworks. (a) The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is prohibited unless: (1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement officer; (2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under 327.8, with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites; (3) Being used at authorized shooting ranges; or (4) Written permission has been received from the District Commander.

(b) Possession of explosives or explosive devices of any kind, including fireworks or other pyrotechnics, is prohibited unless written permission has been received from the District Commander.

 

[JTKelly]

IANAL, but unless this is managed by Army Corp of Engineers, this sign is improper.

It is.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Corps of engineer property, I believe.

You are correct. From the Louisville district site:

Find a Lake or Lock & Dam

Brookville Lake
Cagles Mill Lake
Cecil M. Harden Lake
Monroe Lake
Patoka Lake

 

[Destro]

I actually thought the restriction was removed by executive action around 2020?

 

[printcraft]

I actually thought the restriction was removed by executive action around 2020?

Same, I thought that nonsense was gone.

 

[xwing]

Unfortunately carry is prohibited on Army Corps of Engineers property per Federal statute (327.13 referenced above), and this supersedes the state law.

 

[firecadet613]

I actually thought the restriction was removed by executive action around 2020?

What executive action was this?

They've been banned from Army Corp of Engineers properties for years, just like all federal buildings.

 

[xwing]

Same, I thought that nonsense was gone.

Nope. It was considered in 2020 to change the rules, but did not happen. There have also been several legislative bills over the years to fix this, but none have ever passed.

 

[dsol]

So? Carry concealed and nobody would be the wiser. If you need it for some homeless meth addict camping in the weeds, you can worry about the fallout later. Better to have and not need then need and not have...

 

[xwing]

So? Carry concealed and nobody would be the wiser. If you need it for some homeless meth addict camping in the weeds, you can worry about the fallout later. Better to have and not need then need and not have...

It is not a good idea to advocate knowingly breaking the law. Up to 6 months in jail if caught.

327.25 Violations of rules and regulations.
(a) Any person who violates the provisions of the regulations in this part, other than for a failure to pay authorized recreation use fees as separately provided for in § 327.23, may be punished by a fine of not more than $5,000 or imprisonment for not more than six months or both and may be tried and sentenced in accordance with the provisions of section 3401 of Title 18, United States Code. Persons designated by the District Commander shall have the authority to issue a citation for violation of the regulations in this part, requiring any person charged with the violation to appear before the United States Magistrate within whose jurisdiction the affected water resources development project is located (16 U.S.C. 460d).

 

[Cameramonkey]

So just fish elsewhere if you value your protection high enough.

 

[SmileDocHill]

I thought this thread was going to be something like, they drained the d*** and didn't find any guns.
The "no guns on Army engineers property" is really just their way to close the "lost in a boating accident" loophole.
:-)

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I actually thought the restriction was removed by executive action around 2020?

It was supposed to be, even earlier than that, but it fell through. I was camping down there (after I thought it had been changed) and a DNR officer saw me and informed me then that it had not gone through. He was cool about it though. Just had me take it off and put it in my tent.

 

[JTKelly]

Nothing has changed other than apparently they put up a No Guns sign next to the Sky Is Blue sign.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

So? Carry concealed and nobody would be the wiser.

Very very likely. Until you have a serious accident and need an ambulance or the like.

Everyone can make their own choices, but never assume you'll get away with anything. Roll the dice, take your chances either way.

 

[patience0830]

Very very likely. Until you have a serious accident and need an ambulance or the like.

Everyone can make their own choices, but never assume you'll get away with anything. Roll the dice, take your chances either way.

True Dat. Indeed, you take your chances either way.