CPT Nervous
Grandmaster
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How do you make a cop change a light bulb.
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I'm confused.
These people aren't the brightest. No pun intended.
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How do you make a cop change a light bulb.
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I'm confused.
I didn't get that either, but that was the goal. I'll see if I can find an MP3. Of the show.
I'm not sure what vehicle the LEO had, but our new Ford Interceptor SUV's have really bright lights in them. Several of us are getting flashed nightly with them on dim.I will ask again. Why are so many people flashing their light at the LEO on that night. He pulled over 2 others for flashing their lights before he pulled over the kid.
How many cops does it take to change a light bulb anyway?
I don't know what people expect from LE today. If it is to back down and walk away from people who do not wish to be subjected to the law, regardless of how insignificant they feel that particular law may be, then I obviously need to retire as soon as it is possible.
At this point, all I'm interested in is how Indy-area LEO would handle it.I don't know what people expect from LE today. If it is to back down and walk away from people who do not wish to be subjected to the law, regardless of how insignificant they feel that particular law may be, then I obviously need to retire as soon as it is possible.
The cops gun jammed initially
What do you want to know T. Lex? If I would back down and walk away if I conduct a traffic stop an the driver of the vehicle decides they don't want to play? The answer is no.
Which actions would you like criticized?
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Here it is in simple terms: would you have done exactly the same thing as this officer, at every step of the way? (Not just you, any other LEO, too.) Is there absolutely no other way to do this? Is there maybe... just MAYBE... a way to do this where both individuals make it home? (Well, one of them probably after a stay in the local jail, but you know what I mean.)
In terms of training, doctrine and decency, that is a cop-out (pardon the pun).I cannot say, no one can. I have pointed out to every person on my agency that unless I was that officer on that day I cannot say with any level of certainty whether I would have handled things the same way he did. Any attempts to claim otherwise are BS. I don't have the same training that officer did, our experiences are different, state laws are different, department policies are different. Was this incident out of character for this officer? Was he typically more patient than he was on this stop, more patient? There are too many variables.
Care to answer #2?The legitimate questions are:
Was the force used reasonable under the law and department policy/training?
Did this incident expose a weakness or problem with the policy/training which needs to be addressed?
In terms of training, doctrine and decency, that is a cop-out (pardon the pun).
Care to answer #2?
I think we can agree that, under most local jurisdictions' current training, each incremental escalation can be defended. Which leaves #2. Because, under basically the same training and policies, if it can happen "there," it can happen "here." If it happened here, does it call to mind any policies/training that might be reassessed?
In terms of training, doctrine and decency, that is a cop-out (pardon the pun).
We can agree to disagree. I don't participate in or condone armchair quarterbacking. Cops aren't robots and reactions aren't always predictable. I have good days and bad days and there is a pretty wide path through law and policy which allows for many different things to occur without violating either.
Care to answer #2?
I think we can agree that, under most local jurisdictions' current training, each incremental escalation can be defended. Which leaves #2. Because, under basically the same training and policies, if it can happen "there," it can happen "here." If it happened here, does it call to mind any policies/training that might be reassessed?
I'll throw my unqualified answer. Tazer training. Sounds like effective range training might have helped