McCarthy loses Speaker vote 3 times…

[edporch]

McCarthy alluded to this during the Speaker vote. McCarthy wouldn't bury the ethics violation. Creeper Gaetz took revenge.

If this is true, it's too bad Gaetz isn't a Democrat, he'd considered a hero by them if he was.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

If this is true, it's too bad Gaetz isn't a Democrat, he'd considered a hero by them if he was.

People have talked about Gaetz and minors for years.

 

[Cameramonkey]

If this is true, it's too bad Gaetz isn't a Democrat, he'd considered a hero by them if he was.

I think we should treat him the same way the dems do when their folks have ethics issues.

"It is not our place to remove him. That is up to the voters. They will decide in x years if they wish for him to stay"

I'm sick and tired of doing the right thing when they refuse to. Its like playing a board game with a toddler that cheats by ignoring rules that hurt his position.

 

[edporch]

People have talked about Gaetz and minors for years.

I've heard it too.
I just know when it comes to say Bill Clinton for example, Democrats just love him, and his sleaziness is a badge of honor with them.

 

[foszoe]

I've heard it too.
I just know when it comes to say Bill Clinton for example, Democrats just love him, and his sleaziness is a badge of honor with them.

I saw lots of love for Gaetz when he was standing up to McCarthy.

Not saying you are saying this, but I see lots of we got to fight fire with fire, be willing to do whatever they do in order to win.

The problem, I believe, is sin doesn't usually compartmentalize itself and certainly does not recognize political parties.

Well I have lived long enough to believe that character is a good indicator of conduct and voting consistently with my value set.

Unfortunately, the reverse seems to hold much less validity. If I vote or favor candidates that vote consistently with my values while disregarding character and conduct, I will need to be prepared to defend more downfalls.

Now that's all subjective to my experience and since voting for conduct unbecoming in the belief that what I want for the country will happen is a relatively new position so the data is scarce.

I liken it to the stock market. Threads abound telling me it HAS to all crash at some point. The narrative used to be that companies only look to the next quarter and that shortsighted view cost us in the global economy.

I think the same applies to the country. It is short sighted to think acting and voting like the enemy is a long term strategy.

Again just springboard from your thoughts and not directly aimed at you.

 

[HoosierLife]

I saw lots of love for Gaetz when he was standing up to McCarthy.

Not saying you are saying this, but I see lots of we got to fight fire with fire, be willing to do whatever they do in order to win.

The problem, I believe, is sin doesn't usually compartmentalize itself and certainly does not recognize political parties.

Well I have loved long enough to believe that character is a good indicator of conduct and voting consistently with my value set.

Unfortunately, the reverse seems to hold much less validity. If I vote or favor candidates that vote consistently with my values while disregarding character and conduct, I will need to be prepared to defend more downfalls.

Now that's all subjective to my experience and since voting for conduct unbecoming in the belief that what I want for the country will happen is a relatively new position so the data is scarce.

I liken it to the stock market. Threads abound telling me it HAS to all crash at some point. The narrative used to be that companies only look to the next quarter and that shortsighted view cost us in the global economy.

I think the same applies to the country. It is short sighted to think acting and voting like the enemy is a long term strategy.

Again just springboard from your thoughts and not directly aimed at you.

Yeah we’re all in trouble.

 

[JettaKnight]

If this is true, it's too bad Gaetz isn't a Democrat, he'd considered a hero by them if he was.

And we on the right could really crucify him rather emitting quiet hrumpfs.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

And we on the right could really crucify him rather emitting quiet hrumpfs.

Wait, so he's not your "neighbor" and thus worthy of your love? Seems rather selective.

 

[maxipum]

Wait, so he's not your "neighbor" and thus worthy of your love? Seems rather selective.

If anyone actually believes that Jetta is a conservative that just happens to support every democrat talking point, I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you.

 

[jamil]

I think we should treat him the same way the dems do when their folks have ethics issues.

"It is not our place to remove him. That is up to the voters. They will decide in x years if they wish for him to stay"

I'm sick and tired of doing the right thing when they refuse to. Its like playing a board game with a toddler that cheats by ignoring rules that hurt his position.

Democrats don’t believe their candidate do it. The comments on the tweet demonstrate this. They think ****ing underage girls is a feature of MAGA as if their side has never done it. Yet a long list of democrats accompany republicans on the lolita express. And they avoid prosecution.

About this specifically, why did the DOJ drop the investigation into Gaetz? Was it because more important people were there too? This is just a story where everyone involved has a reason to lie. I don’t believe any of them. I don’t believe Gaetz. I don’t believe McCarthy.

 

[BugI02]

I think the same applies to the country. It is short sighted to think acting and voting like the enemy is a long term strategy.

I would think it more instructive to think upon The Terror, the Bolshevik revolution and Mao's victory - where many were still tut-tutting as they were led to the slaughter

To influence events, first you must win (and even that may not be enough in today's America)

I agree with Cameramonkey, we don't have the luxury of picking and choosing our supporters at this time. I also agree with Kurt Schlichter that the only way to fix this is play for keeps by their rules until it hurts them so bad they want to change back to the old RoE. That certainly means being just as willing to weaponize the DoJ and investigate our opponents. The big difference is I'm confident our opponents are guilty of real crimes and worthy of prosecution (See: the donation laundering scandal at ActBlue)

I haven't really drilled down to the latest activist 'ho coming forward to claim an affair with RFKjr now that he has become an effective voice for Trump, but the playbook certainly seems familiar

 

[foszoe]

I would think it more instructive to think upon The Terror, the Bolshevik revolution and Mao's victory - where many were still tut-tutting as they were led to the slaughter

To influence events, first you must win (and even that may not be enough in today's America)

I agree with Cameramonkey, we don't have the luxury of picking and choosing our supporters at this time. I also agree with Kurt Schlichter that the only way to fix this is play for keeps by their rules until it hurts them so bad they want to change back to the old RoE. That certainly means being just as willing to weaponize the DoJ and investigate our opponents. The big difference is I'm confident our opponents are guilty of real crimes and worthy of prosecution (See: the donation laundering scandal at ActBlue)

I haven't really drilled down to the latest activist 'ho coming forward to claim an affair with RFKjr now that he has become an effective voice for Trump, but the playbook certainly seems familiar

Glad to see you again!

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I would think it more instructive to think upon The Terror, the Bolshevik revolution and Mao's victory - where many were still tut-tutting as they were led to the slaughter

To influence events, first you must win (and even that may not be enough in today's America)

I agree with Cameramonkey, we don't have the luxury of picking and choosing our supporters at this time. I also agree with Kurt Schlichter that the only way to fix this is play for keeps by their rules until it hurts them so bad they want to change back to the old RoE. That certainly means being just as willing to weaponize the DoJ and investigate our opponents. The big difference is I'm confident our opponents are guilty of real crimes and worthy of prosecution (See: the donation laundering scandal at ActBlue)

I haven't really drilled down to the latest activist 'ho coming forward to claim an affair with RFKjr now that he has become an effective voice for Trump, but the playbook certainly seems familiar

Good to see you back!

 

[BugI02]

Glad to see you again!

You can see me!?

I always have tape over the camera

Hope things are well with you my friend. Seriously, when I see issues like this raised at a time like this, I really feel the impulse to purity of libertarians is likely inherited legitimately from conservatives and is detrimental to the causes of each

I can see no other course but to keep my own moral standards but not naively expect in in those who seek power or already have it. In the near term we must establish the conditions where greater morality becomes the path to getting and maintaining power, such that better behavior will be encouraged. I don't think we'll like the results of requiring fully moral behavior in our politicians right out of the box

I also feel how uncomfortable the dichotomy is and often wonder if I'm just wrong about this, but I see no other path forward toward reclaiming God's blessing through changing our country's direction. We are in a war

 

[foszoe]

You can see me!?

I always have tape over the camera

Hope things are well with you my friend. Seriously, when I see issues like this raised at a time like this, I really feel the impulse to purity of libertarians is likely inherited legitimately from conservatives and is detrimental to the causes of each

I can see no other course but to keep my own moral standards but not naively expect in in those who seek power or already have it. In the near term we must establish the conditions where greater morality becomes the path to getting and maintaining power, such that better behavior will be encouraged. I don't think we'll like the results of requiring fully moral behavior in our politicians right out of the box

I also feel how uncomfortable the dichotomy is and often wonder if I'm just wrong about this, but I see no other path forward toward reclaiming God's blessing through changing our country's direction. We are in a war

You have always challenged me and kept me in line.

So I had a few cameras installed ...