McAmnesty and obammanation heading to La Raza conference

[Prometheus]

McCain, Obama Woo Hispanics, Duel Over Prescriptions for Growth - Yahoo! News

For those not familiar with Espanol, La Raza means "THE Race". It's the "Bronze People's" (their terminology not mine) version of the KKK or the Black Panthers.

Whats that? I could sworn I heard someone say mccain was better than obama, but it was drowned out by the cries of the La Raza people demanding the white people return "Aztlan" back to their rightful owners*.

*Technically the rightful owners would be the Pubelo Indians and similar indigenous tribes, but don't tell the La Raza folks that, they are stuck on the spanish land reform grants still.

 

[Bill of Rights]

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."
- John Quincy Adams, 6th President of The United States of America

Sadly, I think that voting principle this time around may result in a lot more than a vote being lost. If Obamalamadingdong gets in, I think we may lose the whole country as a result.

Blessings, (we need 'em!)
B

 

[Prometheus]

mcAmnesty speaking at La Raza rally.

McCain, Obama Woo Hispanics, Duel Over Prescriptions for Growth - Yahoo! News

For those of you not familiar with La Raza, translated literally it means "The Race". This is a hispanic supremacy group whose belief is that the "bronze people" (their terminology) are a superior race and the lands of Arizona, New Mexico and California belong to the "bronze people" and they want it back.

La Raza is the hispanic version of the whites Aryan nation. Of their stated goals violence is acceptable to achieve their ends.

Why mcAmensty continues to alienate the conservative base and pander to groups he's not likely to get much national support from is beyond me.... then again he's sticking to what he's done for a decade, fight for amnesty for illegals and open borders. This is just a natural progress I guess.

This removes the last bit of "guess I'll have to vote for him since obamma sucks so bad" I've had.

It's third party without a doubt now. At least with that congress might fight against obamma pushing amnesty. They'll rubber stamp it if mcAmnesty proposes.

 

[Paul]

Why not just vote for McCain...since he is better than Obama. Then vote for hard core conservatives for congress. The president cant do much without congress.

 

[Prometheus]

Why not just vote for McCain...since he is better than Obama.

By 1%? Thats not much of a reason. Besides a better man doesn't equal a better president. Let me explain by starting with and agreeing on your next comment:

Then vote for hard core conservatives for congress. The president cant do much without congress.

THIS IS A MUST!

However, a conservative congress is more like to accept a liberal agenda from a RINO (mcAmensty) rather than an admitted and universally accepted liberal (obamma).

#1 Amnesty DESTROYS conservatives chances of winning basically any future presidential election. 16 million + new (il)legal voters will easily beat the narrow 51/49 split in the country of red vs blue.

mcAmnesty wants amnesty, obamma wants amnesty. Only difference is mcAmnesty charges a $1,200 'fine' to become legal.

Conservatives WILL call obammas plan amnesty. Conservatives are likely to capitulate to mcAmnesty's plan.

#2 Gun control. Conservatives will fight obamma tooth an nail over "gun control" while mcAmnesty will tout his "common sense police protection act" and once again hicaps and 'assault weapons' will be banned. mcAmnesty DOES support a new AW. I've posted the video clips from the campaign trail on this issue several times.

#3 Economy. As Limbaugh said, "do we really want a republican at the helm in 2009 when the full effects of the mortgage and banking crisis hit?" I agree. Let obammanation go down with that ship.

While mcAmnesty may be a slightly better man, he won't be a better president. I'm voting third party in November to send the GOP a message and to assure that mcAmensty loses.

 

[Santee]

They went to the NAACP, now La Raza. When are they going to the NAAWP? They hold the NAACP and La Raza up as shining lights of multicultural enlightenment, but everyone knows they are racist cesspools. And yet they hold NAAWP as a racist organization since it recognizes the need to advance the white race. Of course, it is as racist as the others. Actually all three organizations function for the same purpose, to futher the impact of their own race. The white race is asked to commit racial suicide so that the other races can be improved.

 

[BloodEclipse]

If we don't win back the Congress we need a Republican President. I didn't say Conseravtive as we all know it's too late for that. At least McCain can veto 2nd Amendments attacks and it takes a 2/3rds vote to override that. The next President is also going to be nominating Supreme Court Judges who can attack the 2nd with or without Congress. A third party vote is a gamble I wouldn't take in this time in history.

 

[Prometheus]

At least McCain can veto 2nd Amendments attacks and it takes a 2/3rds vote to override that.

mcAmnesty isn't pro-2a by any stretch of the imagination. He turn anti about 10 years ago. He's has an F- rating for the past 6 years and prior four years of C. Don't fool yourself, while he may oppose a ban on bolt action rifles, he is IN FAVOR of a new AW ban. He's said so many times during this campaign (I've posted 2 different video links already).

The next President is also going to be nominating Supreme Court Judges who can attack the 2nd with or without Congress. A third party vote is a gamble I wouldn't take in this time in history.

Again it's naive to think that mcAmnesty's liberal politics will somehow translate into conservative judges. Liberals nominate liberals and as you said in your opening line: "I didn't say Conseravtive as we all know it's too late for that." SO why pretend he'll do any better of a job than obammanation?

Time to face facts:
mcAmnesty's pandering to groups like La Raza will NOT translate into many (if any) votes from those groups. In fact it solidifies those of us who believe he is a liberal nutjob bent on amnesty for over 16 MILLION illegals. 16 million NEW liberal voters. Kiss any future Conservative presidency good by when that happens.

the GOP screwed themselves by nominating someone who cannot win in November.

Best bet? Vote third party and send a message to the GOP. No more liberals! 3p has as much of a chance of beating obamma than mcAmnesty does, so it's not like we're throwing away our votes anyway.

 

[Paul]

You not voting for McCain isnt going to send any message to the GOP. McCain won the nomination because he got more of the votes. Simple as that...he beat all of the other Republican nominees.

What will you do if McCain picks a good conservative as a vice president?

 

[BloodEclipse]

At least with McCain I have some hope that the judges he will appoint will be leaps and bounds better than the ones Obama might appoint.
Go ahead and vote 3rd party and when Obama wins and you rethink your vote it will be too late. I just hope not too many of our freedoms get taken away in the process. If you really want to vote your Consequence then in that formulation you must know that a vote for any 3rd party is a VOTE for Obama. So can your consequence handle knowing you help elect a Socialist President?

 

[Disposable Heart]

For those of you not familiar with La Raza, translated literally it means "The Race". This is a hispanic supremacy group whose belief is that the "bronze people" (their terminology) are a superior race and the lands of Arizona, New Mexico and California belong to the "bronze people" and they want it back.

La Raza is the hispanic version of the whites Aryan nation. Of their stated goals violence is acceptable to achieve their ends.

Uh, care to show us an example of this? Or are you spouting someone else's opinion as fact? Ive personally known quote a few hispanics belonging to this organization. Heck, I dealt with their organization several times working in campus radio. Not one thing regarding violence or racism (as stated here) is even brought up, considered, or imagined. Are you scared of people of another race forming a group for cohesion to combat issues that affect latino or black communities? Superior race? I dont think so! I didnt see any of that in their radio programs or even events I was invited to as a guest of their organization giving a researched speech regarding issues that affect Latino communities. to know the "enemy" you must get to know them, not get disinformation from someone though of as a "expert on the matter". I have worked personally with this organization in college and have nothing but good faith in them. I dont agree with their collective views on guns, but that doesnt turn me off to them completely.

Not too sure about this statement. Paranoia and second hand "information" from percieved pundits and radio jocks may be clouding your worldview.

Let me state again for everyone: Not everyone is out to get you personally. I am liberal, but I am not here to take your guns. I am not waiting outside of jails to drive criminals straight to your doorstep. Race groups that form to combat problems you have NO idea about b/c you have never lived through them arent secretly organizing and building arms against you.

Now that I have pissed everyone off (and not intentionally, I just get sort of displeased when people spout disinformation heard from uninformed, fingers in their ears folks).
How about telling us your plan regarding Obama and McCain. Third party? Which one do you believe is an example of your ideas? I rather like the ideas of Ron Paul. He has many ideas I like regarding the government and second amendment. Is there another party you personally like?

 

[BloodEclipse]

15 things you should know about “The Race”
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008
Only in America could critics of a group called “The Race” be labeled racists. Such is the triumph of left-wing identity chauvinists, whose aggressive activists and supine abettors have succeeded in redefining all opposition as “hate.”
Both Barack Obama and John McCain will speak this week in San Diego at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza, the Latino organization whose name is Spanish for, yes, “The Race.” Can you imagine Obama and McCain paying homage to a group of white people that called themselves that? No matter. The presidential candidates and the media have legitimized “The Race” as a mainstream ethnic lobbying group and marginalized “The Race’s” critics as intolerant bigots. The unvarnished truth is that the group is a radical ethnic nationalist outfit that abuses your tax dollars and milks p.c. politics to undermine our sovereignty.
Here are 15 things you should know about “The Race:”
15. “The Race” supports driver’s licenses for illegal aliens.
14.”The Race” demands in-state tuition discounts for illegal alien students that are not available to law-abiding US citizens and law-abiding legal immigrants.
13. “The Race” vehemently opposes cooperative immigration enforcement efforts between local, state, and federal authorities.
12. “The Race” opposes a secure fence on the southern border.
11. “The Race” joined the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in a failed lawsuit attempt to prevent the feds from entering immigration information into a key national crime database–and to prevent local police officers from accessing the data.
10. “The Race” opposed the state of Oklahoma’s tough immigration enforcement-first laws, which cut off welfare to illegal aliens, put teeth in employer sanctions, and strengthened local-federal cooperation and information-sharing.
9. “The Race” joined other open-borders, anti-assimilationists and sued to prevent Proposition 227, California’s bilingual education reform ballot initiative, from becoming law.
8. “The Race” bitterly protested common-sense voter ID provisions as an “absolute disgrace.”
7. “The Race” has consistently opposed post-9/11 national security measures at every turn.
6. Former “Race” president Raul Yzaguirre, Hillary Clinton’s Hispanic outreach advisor said this: “US English is to Hispanics as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks.” He was referring to US English the nation’s oldest, largest citizens’ action group dedicated to preserving the unifying role of the English language in the United States. “The Race” also pioneered Orwellian open-borders Newspeak and advised the Mexican government on how to lobby for illegal alien amnesty while avoiding the terms “illegal” and “amnesty.”
5. “The Race” gives mainstream cover to a poisonous subset of ideological satellites, led by Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), which the late GOP Rep. Charlie Norwood rightly characterized as “a radical racist group…[and] one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.”
4. “The Race” is currently leading a smear campaign against staunch immigration enforcement leaders and has called for TV and cable news netowrks to keep immigration enforcement proponents off the airwaves–in addition to pushing for Fairness Doctrine policies to shut up their foes. The New York Times reported that current “Race” president Janet Murguia believes “hate speech” should “not be tolerated, even if such censorship were a violation of First Amendment rights.”
3. “The Race” sponsors militant ethnic nationalist charter schools subsidized by your public tax dollars (at least $8 million in federal education grants). The schools include “Aztlan Academy” in Tucson, AZ, the Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, AZ, Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in St. Paul, Minn., and Academia Semillas del Pueblo in Los Angeles, whose principal inveighed: “We don’t want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don’t need a White water fountain…ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction.”
2. “The Race” has perfected the art of the p.c. shakedown at taxpayer expense, pushing relentlessly to lower home loan standards for Hispanic borrowers, reaping millions in federal “mortgage counseling” grants, seeking special earmarks, and partnering with banks that do business with illegal aliens.
1. “The Race” thrives on ethnic supremacy–and the elite sheeple’s unwillingness to call it what it is. As historian Victor Davis Hanson observes: “[The] organization’s very nomenclature ‘The National Council of La Raza’ is hate speech to the core. Despite all the contortions of the group, Raza (as its Latin cognate suggests), reflects the meaning of ‘race”‘ in Spanish, not ‘the people’ — and that’s precisely why we don’t hear of something like ‘The National Council of the People’ which would not confer the buzz notion of ethnic, racial, and tribal chauvinism.”
The fringe is the center. The center is the fringe. Viva La Raza.

 

[Prometheus]

If you really want to vote your Consequence then in that formulation you must know that a vote for any 3rd party is a VOTE for Obama. So can your consequence handle knowing you help elect a Socialist President?

It is a vote AGAINST mcAmnesty. Which will help ensure his defeat. If the ramifications of those actions put obamma in office, so be it. Blame the idiot republicans who nominated him. Myself and millions of other republicans said we would never vote for a liberal be it a democrat or a RINO.

Trying to shove blame unto those of us who WARNED YOU back when rudy g was a front runner is asinine. You were warned, now live with YOUR CHOICE.

I've been a vehement opponent of mcAmenstys for years. No way I'm turning myself into a hypocrite like many other republicans.

mcAmnestys polling numbers are dismal. He can't win with my vote anyway, so why not send a message? Heck in theory if enough republicans got on board the Bob Barr train Barr stands a better chance (not a great chance, but atleast a better chance) of beating obamma.

ON A SIDE NOTE:
Thank you for answering disposable hearts question for me. I appreciate it.

 

[Disposable Heart]

Unfotunately, before #8, its all third party group information that doesnt support their claims very well. I get my information from certified news sources and from the NGOs that provide information on their organizations, not someone with a blog. I am not convinced of the idea that La Raza (speaking from someone that knows the organization) is racist or militant.

Prometheus: I do agree with you on the idea of amnesty. I dont like issues facing the latino AMERICAN community, but I dont give a hoot about aliens. Amnesty for illegal immigrants will only (and can only) result in a flood of immigrants trying to beat a deadline.

The more and more I look at either candidates, the more I am beginning to believe (against what I formerly thought) that third party votes are the only way to get the main party's attention. You are right about that a signal must be sent. Obvioulsly they dont care for the average voter anymore, just the ones with money. I dont believe opening my pocket book should be the only way to vote. That is like the idea of only whites voting, basing the "rights" of someone solely on economic or social standing.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Blame the idiot republicans who nominated him. Myself and millions of other republicans said we would never vote for a liberal be it a democrat or a RINO.

Trying to shove blame unto those of us who WARNED YOU back when rudy g was a front runner is asinine. You were warned, now live with YOUR CHOICE.

It wasn't my choice. It was the choice of Liberal democrats who switched parties in the primary's who have given us McCain.
McCain has come out and said that we must secure the border first. Before any amnesty or other such nonsense. If that issue is the part that hurts you, you must know Obama will be sending the busses to Mexico with a welcome mat to bring the illegals here.
While Obama is moving to the middle McCain has moved to the right. I think once he becomes president and learns a thing or two he will move further right.

 

[Windwalker]

Well, McCain's wanting to grant amnesty to illegal aliens is almost the final straw to keep me from voting for him. The only way I would vote for him now is if he picked a strong Conservative for a running mate. Otherwise my vote will be a third party vote.

 

[Paul]

Well, McCain's wanting to grant amnesty to illegal aliens is almost the final straw to keep me from voting for him. The only way I would vote for him now is if he picked a strong Conservative for a running mate. Otherwise my vote will be a third party vote.

Might as well just vote for Obama then....

 

[flagtag]

I used to have two sites bookmarked that I kept an eye on. They were hate spouting sites - "take over" type language. I kept them to refer to and to see what they were up to. The last time I went to the sites to check, they were both removed. I don't know if THEY removed them, or they were pulled for some other reason. Either way, they were both anti-American and the posters talked about "taking their country back". Strange part was that they were posted for the most part in English.
I'm a believer.

 

[Windwalker]

Paul, Obama is the last person I would vote for. I consider him the greatest danger to our Country. McCain's amnesty for illegal aliens makes him the next greatest danger to our Country and our way of life here. I want my grandchildren to grow up in a free country and I feel that voting for either of these might keep that from happening. If enough people feel this way a third party candidate might get elected.

 

[Paul]

Paul, Obama is the last person I would vote for. I consider him the greatest danger to our Country. McCain's amnesty for illegal aliens makes him the next greatest danger to our Country and our way of life here. I want my grandchildren to grow up in a free country and I feel that voting for either of these might keep that from happening. If enough people feel this way a third party candidate might get elected.

But we live in a world called reality. There will not be enough people to vote 3rd party to get any of them elected. When you vote 3rd party in the presidential race, you might as well just vote for Obama.

Obama also wants amnesty for illegals. And a whole slue of other ********.