McAmnesty and obammanation heading to La Raza conference

[Crystalship1]

But we live in a world called reality.

Well... SOME of us do. I can't believe how many people are going to possibly assist Obama into the Whitehouse by throwing their vote away on ..... whoever!!!

A vote for McCain is a vote AGAINST Obama. A vote for anybody else is a vote FOR Obama.

Maybe we do need a minimum competency/intelligence test in order to vote!!! :rolleyesedit:

 

[Prometheus]

Well... SOME of us do. I can't believe how many people are going to possibly assist Obama into the Whitehouse by throwing their vote away on ..... whoever!!!

A vote for McCain is a vote AGAINST Obama. A vote for anybody else is a vote FOR Obama.

So? obamma may be a worse man, but he'd make a better president than mcAmnesty.

One word: GRIDLOCK.

mcAmnesty is a known for his ability to pass liberal legislation by getting otherwise conservative republicans to swallow his far left ideology.

I'm voting third party as a protest vote for mcAmensty and to assure that mcAmnesty does NOT win.

I'd rather have 4 years of obammanation than 4 years of mcAmnesty followed by decades of obammas.

Think long term. Don't be so short sighted.

No matter what you'd better CAMPAIGN for conservative congressmen and women to combat either of those two liberal losers. Not just sit here on the net and whine, get out there, make a difference.

Should obamma or mcAmensty win in Nov and there aren't enough conservatives to stop them we could wind up looking like england before 2012.

 

[flagtag]

So? obamma may be a worse man, but he'd make a better president than mcAmnesty.

One word: GRIDLOCK.

mcAmnesty is a known for his ability to pass liberal legislation by getting otherwise conservative republicans to swallow his far left ideology.

I'm voting third party as a protest vote for mcAmensty and to assure that mcAmnesty does NOT win.

I'd rather have 4 years of obammanation than 4 years of mcAmnesty followed by decades of obammas.

Think long term. Don't be so short sighted.

No matter what you'd better CAMPAIGN for conservative congressmen and women to combat either of those two liberal losers. Not just sit here on the net and whine, get out there, make a difference.

Should obamma or mcAmensty win in Nov and there aren't enough conservatives to stop them we could wind up looking like england before 2012.

Please remember that when the country loses as a result of Obama being put in office that those that helped put him in office have no right to "witch" (mis-spelled)! (Same goes for those who refuse to vote at all because they couldn't get the candidate that they wanted.)

 

[Paul]

So? obamma may be a worse man, but he'd make a better president than mcAmnesty.

One word: GRIDLOCK.

mcAmnesty is a known for his ability to pass liberal legislation by getting otherwise conservative republicans to swallow his far left ideology.

I'm voting third party as a protest vote for mcAmensty and to assure that mcAmnesty does NOT win.

I'd rather have 4 years of obammanation than 4 years of mcAmnesty followed by decades of obammas.

Think long term. Don't be so short sighted.

No matter what you'd better CAMPAIGN for conservative congressmen and women to combat either of those two liberal losers. Not just sit here on the net and whine, get out there, make a difference.

Should obamma or mcAmensty win in Nov and there aren't enough conservatives to stop them we could wind up looking like england before 2012.

the next president picks atleast 1 supreme court justice. we barely won the heller case btw....

 

[Prometheus]

the next president picks atleast 1 supreme court justice. we barely won the heller case btw....

What a ignorant comment. Prior to bush there were 7 out of 9 USSC justices appointed by republicans, there are still 7 of 9 republican nominated.

Republicans hardly have a much better record of nominations and in case you have forgotten they must be confirmed by congress.

You honestly think mcAmnesty is going to nominate justices that don't have the same liberal leanings he does?

You talk about heller, mcAmnesty has a F- rating... the guy who TWICE on this campaign trail has said "I support the assault weapons ban" is your friend?

Scare tactics and ignorance won't sway enough conservatives into the mcAmnesty camp.

You people made your bed by nominating a liberal. Now you've got to deal with the CONSEQUENCES of your choice. Take responsibility, you've handed obamma the election.

 

[bwframe]

You honestly think mcAmnesty is going to nominate justices that don't have the same liberal leanings he does?

That's debatable. However one thing is for sure, something even you cannot argue, Obama WILL appoint liberal anti gun judges to the court. That could literally take us the rest of our lives to recover from.

 

[BloodEclipse]

What a ignorant comment. Prior to bush there were 7 out of 9 USSC justices appointed by republicans, there are still 7 of 9 republican nominated.
I take issue with that. It's not an ignorant comment. McCain has already defined the type of Justices he would nominate.

You honestly think mcAmnesty is going to nominate justices that don't have the same liberal leanings he does?

You talk about heller, mcAmnesty has a F- rating... the guy who TWICE on this campaign trail has said "I support the assault weapons ban" is your friend?
I have not heard anyone say that they support McCain on all of his issues. Your logic though escapes me. The problem is America has a headache and McCain is the bitter pill we have to swallow. You on the other hand want us to under go a Lobotomy or just remove the brain completely.


You people made your bed by nominating a liberal. Now you've got to deal with the CONSEQUENCES of your choice. US PEOPLE didn't nominate a liberal. F'd up election laws that allow parties to switch votes for primaries and Democrats who wanted to F'Up our primaries did that.Take responsibility, you've handed obamma the election.

Get off your high horse and take responsibility in knowing if you vote 3rd party You've handed OBAMA the election.

 

[Prometheus]

Get off your high horse and take responsibility in knowing if you vote 3rd party You've handed OBAMA the election.

You can push off the responsibility on me, thats fine. I can still hold my head high, I won't be the one voting for a liberal scum bag.

Like I said, I'd rather see obamma as president than mcAmnesty anyway. It's guaranteed gridlock.

How can you sleep with yourself at night? It's borderline treason voting for those two.

 

[Paul]

You can push off the responsibility on me, thats fine. I can still hold my head high, I won't be the one voting for a liberal scum bag.

Like I said, I'd rather see obamma as president than mcAmnesty anyway. It's guaranteed gridlock.

How can you sleep with yourself at night? It's borderline treason voting for those two.

I do agree with you to a point....my dad is the same way...hates McCain

McCain is a very liberal republican....i dont agree with a lot of his policy's...like amnesty for illegals (makes me sick)
But....
Obama not only wants to give them amnesty but wants us to learn their ****ing language.

Basically we are stuck with McCain or Obama for 4 years....and McCain is OLD and might not be able to serve another 4 years...another chance of a real conservative.

Also besides guns here...Obama will destroy our already bad ecconomy right now. He will get rid of the Bush tax cuts(raises taxes of the top 1% who already pay 40% of the federal income tax) which will raise the middle class taxes. This will happen because when the top 1% is taxed more, the federal government actually gets less money from them. So the government will have to get it from the rest of us. BTW the top 50% pay 90% of the federal income tax.... we need fair tax

but im not going to get into a rant...lol we just need a real conservative!

 

[BloodEclipse]

You can push off the responsibility on me, thats fine. I can still hold my head high, I won't be the one voting for a liberal scum bag.

Like I said, I'd rather see obamma as president than mcAmnesty anyway. It's guaranteed gridlock.

How can you sleep with yourself at night? It's borderline treason voting for those two.

You say it's guaranteed gridlock? You must be banking on the fact that democrats won't increase their majority in Congress. Thats a gamble I"M not willing to take.

You also say that McCain has an F- rating. GOA has given him that rating.
The NRA rating is a C+. The NRA has in fact given Obama an F.

The difference between you and I, is that you know by voting for a third party candidate you have no chance of seeing them win. Even if they did win they would have no support from EITHER party and would be a lame duck from day 1 and not capable of getting anything accomplished.

I pulled this from McCain's website.

Protecting Second Amendment Rights

John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that we have a sacred duty to protect. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals - criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway.

Gun Manufacturer Liability

John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry.

Assault Weapons

John McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans. Most recently he opposed an amendment to extend a ban on 19 specific firearms, and others with similar characteristics.

Importation of High Capacity Magazines

John McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations.

Gun Locks

John McCain believes that every firearms owner has a responsibility to learn how to safely use and store the firearm they have chosen, whether for target shooting, hunting, or personal protection. He has supported legislation requiring gun manufacturers to include gun safety devices such as trigger locks in product packaging.

Banning Ammunition

John McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing."

DC Personal Protection

As part of John McCain's defense of Second Amendment rights, he cosponsored legislation to lift a ban on the law abiding citizens of the District of Columbia from exercising their Constitutional right to bear arms.

Criminal Background Checks

John McCain supports instant criminal background checks to help prohibit criminals from buying firearms and has voted to ensure they are conducted thoroughly, efficiently, and without infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Background Checks at Gun Shows

At a time when some were trying to shut down gun shows in the name of fighting crime, John McCain tried to preserve gun shows by standardizing sales procedures. Federal law requires licensed firearm sellers at gun shows to do an instant criminal background check on purchasers while private firearm sellers at gun shows do not have to conduct such a check. John McCain introduced legislation that would require an instant criminal background check for all sales at gun shows and believes that such checks must be conducted quickly to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions.

The Firearm Purchase Waiting Period

John McCain has opposed "waiting periods" for law abiding citizen's purchase of firearms.

The Confiscation of Firearms After an Emergency

John McCain opposes the confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency. He voted in favor of an amendment sponsored by Senator David Vitter prohibiting such confiscation.

Stiffer Penalties for Criminals Who Use a Firearm in the Commission of a Crime

John McCain believes in strict, mandatory penalties for criminals who use a firearm in the commission of a crime or illegally possess a firearm. Enforcing the current laws on the books is the best way to deter crime.

This is what I could find from Obama's website. It was listed at the bottom under Additional Issues. It never made the main list.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf

This is scary:


PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS

Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters own and use guns each year. Millions more participate
in a variety of shooting sports such as sporting clays, skeet, target and trap shooting that may not necessarily
involve hunting. As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he greatly respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting. He also believes that the right is subject to reasonable and commonsense regulation.

So Prometheus we can agree to disagree but I see the stakes as too high to cast my vote to a third party and ensuring an Obama victory.

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[flagtag]

For those of you considering voting for Obama because you don't like McCain or voting for someone you know will not win, check Obama's record in IL.

Take it from an IL resident, we DON'T need a Socialist/anti-American pig llike Obama in a higher office. Just think of what Obama and his "partners in crime" (Gov. Blago, his pop-in-law - Mell, Mayor Daily, et al in the "Chicago Machine") have done to the state of IL.

We are so far in the RED that we may never get out. The corruption of that group (remember Obama's land deal with Rezko (sp)) and the investigation ongoing by the Feds which will still include Obama's part in the various schemes, as well as the govenor and friends.

All of the anti-Constitutional/anti-American votes by Obama, and his egotistical "superior" attitude towards the American public in general (looking down his nose at us), belittling us, his wife's attitude and statements ("For the first time in my life, I'm proud of my country") and the fact that Obama refused to wear the flag pin, and his attitude and refusal to place his hand over his heart or even face the flag when the National Anthem was played.

Is this really the type of person you would want to take a chance of putting in the office of President? Think about it. How would he use that power? You do know that a President in times of certain types of emergencies (real or invented), can suspend the Constitution and institute Marshall Law. Where would we be if he decided to play that game? Think about our future. It will be bad enough, why temp fate?
I don't care much for McCain either, but at least he has the American attitude, and loyalty.

 

[Prometheus]

So Prometheus we can agree to disagree

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Fair enough

 

[Prometheus]

For those of you considering voting for Obama because you don't like McCain or voting for someone you know will not win, check Obama's record in IL.

I don't think anyone here is planning on doing that. Also voting for obamma only sends a message that validates the idiocy of the 2 party system.

I don't care much for McCain either, but at least he has the American attitude, and loyalty.

Neo con attitude, not American. You want an American attitude, reading the writings of the Founding Fathers.

Loyalty? Surely you jest? Open borders, North American Union, The north American currency the Amero... Loyal to the council on foreign relations, yes. America? Certainly not.

This is where people get mixed up. That some how mccains treachery is going to put us in any better a spot than obamas. If the destination is the same I don't care if I'm in a bus or a limo... I'm not taking the ride!

 

[flagtag]

For those of you considering voting for Obama because you don't like McCain or voting for someone you know will not win, check Obama's record in IL.

I don't think anyone here is planning on doing that. Also voting for obamma only sends a message that validates the idiocy of the 2 party system.



Neo con attitude, not American. You want an American attitude, reading the writings of the Founding Fathers.

Loyalty? Surely you jest? Open borders, North American Union, The north American currency the Amero... Loyal to the council on foreign relations, yes. America? Certainly not.

This is where people get mixed up. That some how mccains treachery is going to put us in any better a spot than obamas. If the destination is the same I don't care if I'm in a bus or a limo... I'm not taking the ride!

So be it. Either way, we are in deep doodoo. But I will still choose the lesser of two evils (not a whole lot) and the one who was willing to fight for his country. (Rather than the one who expects the country to fight for him)

 

[Crystalship1]

This is where people get mixed up.

Who gets what?!?!?!? :rolleyesedit:

You're the one living under the delusion that if you vote for Ron Paul or whomever, you won't be voting for Obama when if fact many of us have tried to explain to you that yes.... indeed you will.

Rail on dude. Obama thanks you for your support!!!

 

[Prometheus]

Who gets what?!?!?!? :rolleyesedit:

Quote the rest of the line:

This is where people get mixed up. That some how mccains treachery is going to put us in any better a spot than obamas. If the destination is the same I don't care if I'm in a bus or a limo... I'm not taking the ride!

What about that is too complicated for you to understand? Both people will land this country in ruins. You (and others) seem to only have a preference on the color of the bus driver. I don't care what color the guy is or if there is a "r" or "d" next to the name. The destination is the same! DESTRUCTION!

You're the one living under the delusion that if you vote for Ron Paul or whomever, you won't be voting for Obama when if fact many of us have tried to explain to you that yes.... indeed you will.

You've obviously skipped all my posts but one or have zero reading comprehension (as evidenced by the above quote from you). I am PURPOSEFULLY TAKING A VOTE FROM MCCCAIN! Rather than validate the idiocy of the 2 party system (repub and dem) I'll throw it third party (Bob Barr) as a protest.

Besides, anyone paying attention to the numbers will tell you mcAmensty isn't going to beat obamanation with or without my vote.

Hence, voting mccain is THROWING AWAY YOUR VOTE. He can't win. At least with a third party vote you send a protest message in hopes the GOP runs a conservative in 2012... assuming obamma hasn't caused a civil war by then and the whole country is under martial law or anarchy.

 

[Crystalship1]

You (and others) seem to only have a preference on the color of the bus driver

Hey Bubba.....You don't know me or most likely anybody else here enough to know if they are a racist or not. I certainly have never said anything that would indicate me as such.

You however, have said enough to prove to me that you are a liberal, pot-stirring, troll and also a tool of major proportions!!!

So.... here's to you!!!! :fawk:

 

[flagtag]

Only time will tell. Do what you 'gotta' do! As will the rest of us.
If I'm wrong in my choice, I will have no one but myself to blame, but if I choose based on a false premise that I can change the party system to my way of thinking, then the country STILL goes down the crapper, I lose and take a whole lot of others with me.

We all have to do what we (the individual) believe is right. As long as you are prepared to live with whatever decision you make, and not "witch" (misspelled) if "our guy" doesn't work out, then OK.

No, I don't really like either of the choices we have, but I will still do my duty and vote for the "lesser of two evils". That is all.

 

[Bill of Rights]

It's an unfair bet to gamble on who will be sworn in on 1/20/09. I'd but the chances greater than 99% that it will be either Obama or McCain. I don't know Bob Barr. I know the party he claims loyalty for, and I know that a vote for him has a less than 1% chance of doing anything to save our country from the two liberals we have to choose between. Prometheus' position is that he's consciously taking a vote away from McCain, and even if McCain was to thoroughly and completely embrace the Constitution and all it stands for, I think he'd still vote against him. No insult to you, Prometheus, it's just that you've made it clear, to me at least, that it's personal for you. It's less that you don't like McCain's policies and more that you don't like McCain himself. (perhaps this is more correctly said that you don't trust him- I don't either.)

IMHO, the ballot box is not the place to send any message other than "This is who I want to be in office for the next term." If you want to send the RNC a message, the best way to do so that anyone and everyone can do is to write them a letter expressing your displeasure. I will consciously take my vote away from Obama, while knowing that I'm already outnumbered-my daughter in her youth and idealism has managed to convince my wife that he's the better choice, leaving me shaking my head in disbelief.

I don't like the idea, and I pray to God I'm wrong, but I do see a Civil War brewing in this country. I don't know if it will be racial, if it will be economic, or if it will be religious, but I see it coming. It doesn't matter if it's Obama, McCain, Barr, or Mickey Mouse in office, if that happens, whoever it is WILL order US troops to quell the insurrection. Whether or not they obey is another matter entirely.

One very good point, and again, I don't support this at all, but I'd be a fool not to recognize the likelihood, is that whoever is elected may not finish his first term in office. Like it or not, there is still much prejudice in this country, and a Black (or Black-appearing) man as POTUS is highly likely to be the recipient of an assassination attempt at the very least. OTOH, McCain is not a young man at all. There is a fair chance that he will not survive his presidency, and whoever he chooses as his VP will become president. If he picks a strong conservative in an effort to win Conservative voters, this person may be our saving grace. Obama's choice is highly likely to be equally as bad as he is.

The other point I saw was that we don't want a Republican at the helm when the financial crisis that's already underway comes to a full head. I think that crisis is unavoidable at this point, and mitigating it will be difficult for anyone. We clearly have a major -storm brewing, and there are no good, let alone easy answers.

So what to do? I think I have to say that, depending on his running mate, I'll hold my nose and punch McCain's spot on my ballot, not because I agree with him, his policies, his intentions, or anything else but because I don't expect him to serve for the full four years and whoever he chooses as his first successor-in-line has at least a chance of being someone with whom we have something in common.

With patriotism, respect, and as always,

Blessings,
B

 

[BloodEclipse]

Besides, anyone paying attention to the numbers will tell you mcAmensty isn't going to beat obamanation with or without my vote.

Hence, voting mccain is THROWING AWAY YOUR VOTE. He can't win..

Prometheus I know this may come as a shock to you... But I disagree .

If you look at the Electoral College maps and not focus on the Stupid polling numbers then this is any body's race and I'm guessing that with or without your Vote McCain will be our next President.

Obama is being handled by some pretty slick operators. These huge masses that turn out to see him , all the young kids, well they are showing up for the free concerts at his events and unless there are free concerts at all the polling places on voting day, my guess is these young voters will follow in the footsteps of the previous young people and do something else that day instead of vote.

Obama is hype and nothing more and he will not win out in November.