Man gets 30 days in jail for unfinished siding project

[rambone]

No he was sentenced to 2 days, with 28 home detention that was his choice or he could have had 30 days of 3 hots and a cot , and he was arrested FOR FAILURE TO APPEAR

Well my mind hasn't been changed. How about you?

 

[rambone]

What a house weapon may look like.

Its the Wicked Anti-Property-Rights Lawyer of the East!

 

[cobber]

No he was sentenced to 2 days, with 28 home detention that was his choice or he could have had 30 days of 3 hots and a cot , and he was arrested FOR FAILURE TO APPEAR

Don't let facts get in the way of principles! This man is a martyr! He went to jail so that you don't have to side your house either.

Well never mind that he finished his house after doing his hard time.

 

[rambone]

Don't let facts get in the way of principles

Fact: He was sentenced to 30 days.
Fact: He was confined for 30 days.
Fact: All of this is over siding.

 

[jsharmon7]

Fact: He was sentenced to 30 days.
Fact: He was confined for 30 days.
Fact: All of this is over siding.

You're walking down the street in your handmade Ron Paul t-shirt and accidentally step on my foot. I can't stand to scuff my Nikes so I curse at you and insult your mother. Your mother is a saint and you won't stand for her being insulted, you respond with insults about my wife. Nobody insults her that way, so I shove you. Offended that I'd touch you in that manner you then punch me in the face.

Fact: You stepped on my shoe.
Fact: You insulted my wife and then punched me.
Fact: You punched me in the face because you stepped on my shoe.

Right? Or do the steps in between Point A and Point B make a difference?

 

[steveh_131]

IT'S AN OPINION, what part of this do you not understand, opinion does have a consequence on property value nor does it affect it.

There you go, now move along and try to again.

And it's a 'fact', not an 'opinion', that this man's house is ugly enough to affect property values?

It's all opinion. That's the point.

Now move along, try keeping up with the discussion this time.

 

[steveh_131]

Right?

No, it's not right.

Force was initiated over the siding. He resisted that force, and it escalated.

Nevertheless, the original initiation of force was because of his siding.

Better analogy: A mugger wants my wallet, I don't want him to take it. I tell him no. He punches me, I punch him to defend myself, he shoots me and kills me.

He killed me because I punched him in the face? No. He ultimately killed me because he was trying to steal my wallet, and the courts would agree.

 

[GBuck]

Fact: He was sentenced to 30 days.
Fact: He was confined for 30 days.
Fact: All of this is over siding.

No, he was NOT confined because of siding! He was confined for failure to obey a court order. How many times must this be said?! Sharmon's analogy is spot on.

If he wanted to make a property rights argument he could have done so by appearing in court as ordered, but he didn't. I'm sick of this crap of you saying he was jailed because of siding. It is not the truth.

 

[GBuck]

No, it's not right.

Force was initiated over the siding. He resisted that force, and it escalated.

Nevertheless, the original initiation of force was because of his siding.

Better analogy: A mugger wants my wallet, I don't want him to take it. I tell him no. He punches me, I punch him to defend myself, he shoots me and kills me.

He killed me because I punched him in the face? No. He ultimately killed me because he was trying to steal my wallet, and the courts would agree.

But, but... I thought this wasn't about the law, so why does how the courts feel matter?

 

[steveh_131]

But, but... I thought this wasn't about the law, so why does how the courts feel matter?

It doesn't matter a bit to me.

Ready to answer my question yet?

Or you could even address my mugger analogy. I wont hold my breath for either.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Aren't negative opinions the exact force that drive people away from buying houses at the highest prices?

Its not you can physically witness or measure your property depreciating in value. It is worth whatever someone will pay... someone with an opinion.

A person that is not buying a house that says it is ugly is their opinion, it is not a opinion of the person buying the house. This is two separate things.

What a person is willing to pay is not opinion, it's called trying to get it as cheap as you can, nobody wants to pay more than they want to.

Don't twist and contort this like the title of your threads.

 

[GBuck]

It doesn't matter a bit to me.

Ready to answer my question yet?

I don't know what question you are talking about! All of your questions have been answered and you continue to parrot like they haven't.

 

[GBuck]

It doesn't matter a bit to me.

Ready to answer my question yet?

Or you could even address my mugger analogy. I wont hold my breath for either.

I agree with your mugger analogy. I just think it is not making the same jump that rambone is making, therefore it has no bearing in this thread.

 

[steveh_131]

I don't know what question you are talking about! All of your questions have been answered and you continue to parrot like they haven't.

See post 255 for a clarification.

 

[steveh_131]

nobody wants to pay more than they want to.

This is profound. Have you considered authoring a book of proverbs?

 

[GBuck]

See post 255 for a clarification.

Your fat and ugly neighbor doesn't cost you any value.

A house that is in continual disrepair does effect value. I'm not sure what you are looking for other than that.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Well my mind hasn't been changed. How about you?

No my mind has not changed either, I think someone in this thread is the magical troll that only posts in one area, with intent to create havoc more than to try and be a benefit.

Take it how you want to read or see it.

 

[steveh_131]

Your fat and ugly neighbor doesn't cost you any value.

A house that is in continual disrepair does effect value. I'm not sure what you are looking for other than that.

Both are an eyesore. I dont really see the difference. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that the neighbor was ugly enough to scare off potential customers. What then?

 

[GBuck]

Both are an eyesore. I dont really see the difference. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that the neighbor was ugly enough to scare off potential customers. What then?

A) the ugly neighbor is still a human and goes inside their own home.
B) that is so outlandish it does not deserve any further thought.

What if the whole world were to open up and we all fall to the center of the earth?! It could happen. I demand an answer.

 

[Ted]

Sure, if that were actually the reason the north fought the war.

Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address
Saturday, March 4, 1865

At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.

On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether

With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.