Why not just get the UT permit?
because I don't have your kind of money
Why not just get the UT permit?
because I don't have your kind of money
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No one said anything about not liking it here in IN bud. This is a hypothetical question to see what peoples opinions are. Would you or would you not be interested in applying for a different license to get more reciprocity. That is all. No one is *****ing about IN, at least Im certainly not. get that straight.How about not. Just plain NOT.
Here's a better idea. You guys who don't like the way it's done in Indiana go some place you like better.
Leave the Indiana Process Alone. Obtain a Florida or Utah Permit if you must but the Indiana Law is Clear and works for the rest of us
I want a mandatory 65 hour class (5 hours of range time) and a 200 question written test (with at least 15 essay questions) and a 250 round shooting test (95% score to pass) to weed out the poor, any lower intelligence individuals, badly skilled and other undesirables. It should cost no more than $1500. Mandatory LTCH insurance or some sort of bond would be a great idea too. Annual re-certification would be necessary of course to reconfirm an applicant's commitment and continued lawfulness.
Leave the Indiana Process Alone. Obtain a Florida or Utah Permit if you must but the Indiana Law is Clear and works for the rest of us
How about not. Just plain NOT.
Here's a better idea. You guys who don't like the way it's done in Indiana go some place you like better.
I'm not saying Indiana
I'm not saying Indiana
I'm not saying Indiana
I'm not saying Indiana
I'm not saying Indiana
...Some states are looking (Colorado was, don't know if it passed there) at putting stipulations on which say Florida, Utah or whoever permits they honor. What I mean by that is the state might honor say state A's permit but only if you are a resident of state A. If you are a resident of state B but got a permit for state A just to circumvent their law due to your own state not being honored your LTCH in the state you are not a resident of is not honored!...
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Indiana law is not entirely clear, see the various recent polls about what is legal without a ltch and all the other threads with questions. And while I have a lifetime ltch so it works for me in this state doesn't mean I wouldn't like some changes, such as no license needed to carry, sbs being legal, carry on school property, no local infringement ie parks and such, those being the big 4, I can come up with more but for right now those are the biggies.
How can you be so UnAmerican? If you don't like it you change it, you don't move. Heck did the founding fathers move or did they fight for what they wanted? While I will fight for it not to become mandatory for training to be required to carry, I will also fight for not needing a ltch to carry, and also for non violent felons to be able to own/carry, and even for violent ones to do the same if they have served their time and are no longer deemed a threat to others(if they are deemed a threat, keep their butts locked up) and I will even fight to have voluntary training to add an endorsement to our ltch if it will get more states to honor it.
Etc etc.
I've heard of double taps and post whoring but this if the first time I've seen full auto whoring. Perhaps another one or 12 of these might help Or is that the problem?
There are six such states: CO, FL, MI, KS, NH, SC. WV used to be that way, but is no longer, as of (I think) July of this year.
And there is no reason to change our laws because some other state doesn't like them. Far better, I think, to continue to show that our crime rates are lower by not restricting their citizens from carrying here than theirs are by disallowing ours from carrying in their state.
Blessings,
Bill
IN law is very clear. People's understanding of IN law is what is lacking, mostly due to misinformation passed around by those who mean well but don't check their facts before speaking.
True for the most part.
Fight for what you think is right, but understand that it matters not what compromises we offer. It is said that when you sit down to negotiate what you already have, you've already lost. The expected progression from allowing a change to "voluntary training" is to incrementally change it: "Well, see, we've had voluntary training for X years, so why not just make it mandatory now? Surely no one will take a stand against public safety."
You do make a very good point on the slippery slope part. I didn't really consider it. And I agree with the saying about sitting down to negotiate.
I should say that at one point, I entered a post a single time and had some 20-odd copies of it show up. I dropped a PM to the only online mod and asked him to please delete the extras after I went through and changed all but one of them to a ".". I don't know that that's what happened here, but I can't discount it. (and I don't , either! )
FWIW.
Blessings,
Bill
I would support training and testing...
IF it was made part of school curriculum. This should be a part of our educational system anydamnway! This used to be a country of Riflemen. Hence the reason Appleseed was started. This would be the only way I would even remotely support this kind of idea.
And as far as licensing goes... I have a valid SSN and Birth Certificate saying I was born inside this beloved land. That is about all the proof I need to buy, carry, fire, or detonate whatever that I feel like.
The constitution says I have the right to bear arms. It doesn't say I have the right to take a test to see if I qualify to bear arms, nor does it specify a minimum score to qualify for my right to bear arms. To me, a "shall-issue" state shows the truest support of my constitutional right to bear arms. It's my right... if I want to exercise it, as a law abiding citizen, I only have to ask.
I would take a test and required training if I had to, but I'm truly glad I don't have to.
I was referring to CC, not jut a right to have a firearm on my property. A "shall issue" state won't issue until you ask (read that "apply for").
I was referring to CC, not jut a right to have a firearm on my property. A "shall issue" state won't issue until you ask (read that "apply for").