Local family tired of being victimized

[Hoosier9]

Appropriate, I'd probably say so... legal, doubt it...

If this had been a police officer who chased an armed robber and dealt out the "approrpiate" response to these jackasses, people would be calling for his head...

Actually, no. The robber fired a shot which almost hit one of the victim's family members. You know that deadly force can be used to stop a violent fleeing felon, so shooting at least one of the robbers would have been entirely appropriate, and even expected.

As far as the family kicking the dog **** out of the robbers.....well, I'm sure that they were resisting a lawful citizen's arrest. Seems appropriate to me.

 

[gunman41mag]

The response of the family is entirely appropriate. Perhaps skirting the edge of legality, but entirely morally correct, IMO.

The family should have crippled the two gang-banggers & taken their guns & wallets

 

[jeremy]

Just another days activity in Fayettenam...

 

[Kutnupe14]

You still haven't answered the question. If you think their actions are not appropriate, WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE? Don't tell people they are wrong and then not back it up with an alternative.

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[Kutnupe14]

Actually, no. The robber fired a shot which almost hit one of the victim's family members. You know that deadly force can be used to stop a violent fleeing felon, so shooting at least one of the robbers would have been entirely appropriate, and even expected.

As far as the family kicking the dog **** out of the robbers.....well, I'm sure that they were resisting a lawful citizen's arrest. Seems appropriate to me.

Yes, deadly force can be used to stop a violent fleeing felon, but once they're stopped, you can't continue to use deadly force. Unless the guys were clubbed, shot, stabbed at the exact same time... again while fleeing, someone went a lil overboard. It's one thing t o have injured/killed these guys during the crime (which I'd have zero problem with), but it quite another to chase them down, and them execute justice.

 

[Hotdoger]

Ok, would the actions of the family be acceptable if they were employed as police officers?

Depends if his name is Bisard or not.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Depends if his name is Bisard or not.

Touche....

 

[85t5mcss]

How did cops get brought into this? Some people just need to drop the cop bashing idea. Please. Tired of hearing it.

And as far as the assailants. Caught in the act, they are lucky they're not dead. Should be. Its about time these criminals (thugs, gangstas, crroks, rapists, murderers...) get the picture that we are not going to be bullied. We will stand up for ourselves and our friends/family/neighbors. And if u want to call the police...fine. I'm all for capitol punishment.

 

[LEaSH]

How did cops get brought into this? Some people just need to drop the cop bashing idea. Please. Tired of hearing it.

A cop actually made the rhetorical (Post#13)

I think he was making a good point that citizens AND police should be held to standards of the law, and I agree with him.

And nobody is bashing. And I could care less what you're tired of hearing. If you're too hypersensitive to read a valid comparison about what would happen if it were slightly different, meaningful discussion isn't your thing.

 

[Hoosier9]

Yes, deadly force can be used to stop a violent fleeing felon, but once they're stopped, you can't continue to use deadly force. Unless the guys were clubbed, shot, stabbed at the exact same time... again while fleeing, someone went a lil overboard. It's one thing t o have injured/killed these guys during the crime (which I'd have zero problem with), but it quite another to chase them down, and them execute justice.

When you have a criminal "justice" system that fails to deliver justice time and time again, this is what you get. Street justice. I don't have a problem with it. Stupid should hurt, legal or not.

 

[ckcollins2003]

Yes, deadly force can be used to stop a violent fleeing felon, but once they're stopped, you can't continue to use deadly force. Unless the guys were clubbed, shot, stabbed at the exact same time... again while fleeing, someone went a lil overboard. It's one thing t o have injured/killed these guys during the crime (which I'd have zero problem with), but it quite another to chase them down, and them execute justice.

So what you're saying, is that if someone was trying to rob your mama, you saw it happening, you and your buddy run out to help her, get shot at, then the jackasses start running away, you're just gonna let them go?

 

[Kutnupe14]

When you have a criminal "justice" system that fails to deliver justice time and time again, this is what you get. Street justice. I don't have a problem with it. Stupid should hurt, legal or not.

This is a fair statement. Stupid should certainly hurt, but is not justification for having your life snuffed out. FPD's lack of response is shameful. I don't blame the folks for organizing to defend themselves...not one bit. However, when defensive action , changes to offensive deadly force, there's an issue. There's no way the family can articulate that clubbing, stabbing, and beating each suspect was in order to prevent them from escaping.

I brought up the "could an officer do this" scenario, because you and I both know that we'd be running seriously afoul of the law if we did so. If you or I chased (and caught) a guy who had beat a 80 year old grandmother, lord knows, I would love to body check him into a wall... but we can't... nor can we pass summary judgment on the individual and beat, stab, or shoot him. If private citizens are legally able to engage "punishing" individuals, then by extension, that right should be extended to law enforcement... something I don't agree with.

So what you're saying, is that if someone was trying to rob your mama, you saw it happening, you and your buddy run out to help her, get shot at, then the jackasses start running away, you're just gonna let them go?

I certainly said nothing of the sort. If as a private citizen I could safely apprehend the suspects, I would. If during the commission of the crime, they were shot and killed, I wouldn't have a problem with that either. In the personal sense, if the situation you described, happened to my mother, I would probably but a legendary beatdown on the perp. That said, after the police arrived and found a mangled guy bleeding on the ground, I wouldn't be surprised, and would actually expect to end up in the "clink."

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

I don't blame the folks for organizing to defend themselves...not one bit. However, when defensive action , changes to offensive deadly force, there's an issue.
What issue ? That's the way it's done in El Salvador , why not here ?

There's no way the family can articulate that clubbing, stabbing, and beating each suspect was in order to prevent them from escaping.

Not without an interpreter .

I wonder how many of these "good guys" are here legally ?

 

[Phil502]

They should have finished it off by running over their legs with the getaway car.

 

[jeremy]

Have any of you been to Fayetteville?!

It has been a festering problem for Decades. The LE Community there has turned a blind eye to the problem long enough that the Citizens that live there have started handling problems within their Neighborhoods and Communities. Is it right?! Probably not but if the Local LEAs will not handle the problems what is one to do.

 

[sweddle]

I love it! He was "badly leaking" and "he must be broken". Best two quotes I have seen in a long time!!!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Not without an interpreter .

I wonder how many of these "good guys" are here legally?

Believe it or not, you make a valid point. I'm not going to assume that the group were illegals, but if they were, their "status," would be reason enough not inform law enforcement of the on-going issue. Illegals are are routinely targeted by (other) criminals because they don't report crimes for fear of being deported.

Other highlighted because illegals are criminals too...

 

[grizman]

Appropriate and legal stopped once the men were disarmed and unable to fight or flee, at that point they should have been held until the police arrived.

15 on 2 is not self defense or proper defense of another, what happened is excessive use of force. Makes no difference if it were 15 LEO's or 15 citizens involved here.

Law abiding citizens must play by the same rules we expect LE to follow or we are in fact no better than the scum bags.

No, the family should not have set back and done nothing, neither should they have taken it to this extent.

We can not apply a double standard by allowing civilians to use more force than we allow the LE community to employ in the line of duty. I would have no problem if the mob had not beaten and stabbed the men after they were disarmed and subdued.

 

[henktermaat]

"They got a little rough because they didn't know how many more weapons they had, so they wanted to keep it under control," Flores said.

hahah!

 

[bobzilla]

I would have no problem if the mob had not beaten and stabbed the men after they were disarmed and subdued.

^ You're ASSuming that they were beaten, shot and stabbed while not fighting back and disarmed. For all we know the family stopped once they got them subdued, which took them being shot, stabbed and beaten.