LEO responds positively to OC

[CPT Nervous]

No, I've gotten it from the beginning. I just disagree what constitutes infringement.

To me, a cop asking a few questions and checking out the rifle (obviously this will depend on the style of rifle) and taking about a minute of your time is not unreasonable. Nor do I consider it infringement. When they go beyond that... then their ice starts to get thinner.

So I'm checking out at the store, and an LEO sees my credit card. It's fine if he comes up to me and checks it against my ID to make sure it's really mine, and that it's legal? He checks my cash to make sure it's not counterfeit. That's perfectly fine with with you, right?

He's just asking a few questions. Taking a minute of my time.

 

[VidGuy]

So I'm checking out at the store, and an LEO sees my credit card. It's fine if he comes up to me and checks it against my ID to make sure it's really mine, and that it's legal? He checks my cash to make sure it's not counterfeit. That's perfectly fine with with you, right?

He's just asking a few questions. Taking a minute of my time.

It's not the same thing. He has no reason to believe your card is stolen or your money is fake.

But if you dress as I described, I think there's reasonable cause for concern, based on previous events and experiences.

 

[CPT Nervous]

That's profiling, and discrimination. If I am a black man, and there was several crimes involving black men, it's okay for an LEO to stop me and question me, right?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

It's not the same thing. He has no reason to believe your card is stolen or your money is fake.

But if you dress as I described, I think there's reasonable cause for concern, based on previous events and experiences.

If he has no reason to believe that those are fake or anyway illegal, why is it ok to check out my rifle for the same reason?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

That's profiling, and discrimination. If I am a black man, and there was several crimes involving black men, it's okay for an LEO to stop me and question me, right?

Actually yes to that one. Fitting the description (however incorrect or vague) of someone who committed a crime IS RAS for detainment.

 

[VidGuy]

That's profiling, and discrimination. If I am a black man, and there was several crimes involving black men, it's okay for an LEO to stop me and question me, right?

If you fit the description. I don't think "black man" is specific enough.

 

[hacksawfg]

I am SO going to get one of these M249's, sling it over my shoulder, go out into the public and videotape the 5-0 as they HARASS THE HELL OUT OF ME FOR NO REASON!!! All in the name of internet infamy

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[CPT Nervous]

If you fit the description. I don't think "black man" is specific enough.

So if I wear body armor and carry a rifle, I can be profiled because a similarly dressed mad man killed some people several weeks ago, and he's been caught?

 

[VidGuy]

If he has no reason to believe that those are fake or anyway illegal, why is it ok to check out my rifle for the same reason?

I'll have to think on that. It's a good point. I don't really have an answer other than to guarantee the immediate safety of others.

And to get back to the point, I'm not saying it's not your right... I'm saying it's a bad idea.

 

[VidGuy]

So if I wear body armor and carry a rifle, I can be profiled because a similarly dressed mad man killed some people several weeks ago, and he's been caught?

Yes.

 

[CPT Nervous]

That's absolutely ridiculous. If I am harassed by a cop, I don't assume all cops are up to no good.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

I'll have to think on that. It's a good point. I don't really have an answer other than to guarantee the immediate safety of others.

And to get back to the point, I'm not saying it's not your right... I'm saying it's a bad idea.

How does it guarantee the safety of anyone? CO shooter had a legal rifle.

Even if they stop you and "check out your rifle" unless they arrest you on false charges they will give you the rifle and ammo back.

 

[CPT Nervous]

How does it guarantee the safety of anyone? CO shooter had a legal rifle.

Even if they stop you and "check out your rifle" unless they arrest you on false charges they will give you the rifle and ammo back.

Well put.

 

[VidGuy]

That's absolutely ridiculous. If I am harassed by a cop, I don't assume all cops are up to no good.

But it does diminish your overall opinion of them, doesn't it?

 

[CPT Nervous]

But it does diminish your overall opinion of them, doesn't it?

No. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement. It would diminish my overall opinion of that one particular officer. Like the New Carlisle officer who told me not to carry in my bank. The other 5 officers I've talked to there never told me that. My overall experience was okay, he wasn't rude, just wrong. I corrected him, and went on my way. I don't have a problem with him, but I prefer the other officers, who have never commented on my firearm. I work closely with Mishawaka PD, and they have all been very friendly to me.

 

[VidGuy]

No. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement. It would diminish my overall opinion of that one particular officer. Like the New Carlisle officer who told me not to carry in my bank. The other 5 officers I've talked to there never told me that. My overall experience was okay, he wasn't rude, just wrong. I corrected him, and went on my way. I don't have a problem with him, but I prefer the other officers, who have never commented on my firearm. I work closely with Mishawaka PD, and they have all been very friendly to me.

Let me clarify a bit... it would diminish my opinion of that department, because they have not corrected an officer that is harassing law-abiding citizens. It wouldn't affect my opinions of LEOs nationwide.

 

[CPT Nervous]

Let me clarify a bit... it would diminish my opinion of that department, because they have not corrected an officer that is harassing law-abiding citizens. It wouldn't affect my opinions of LEOs nationwide.

But maybe they did correct him. People are human. They make mistakes. It doesn't reflect the department.

I am a Soldier. If one guy in my company goes out killing unarmed civilians, that doesn't mean that our company is okay with that. He will no doubt be punished for that. Sure, people will associate us with the mad man, but I think more logically, and understand that some people will do their thing, and not worry about anyone else. It doesn't mean that everyone associated with him condones it.

 

[Bunnykid68]

OK... I just called Bunnykid and got the go-ahead from him to ride my bicycle over to his house tonight after work. Now my choices are AR or AK?

Why not both? Should always have a backup

 

[Mark 1911]

Lame. If OC was normalized there would be no reaction to get. AntiOCers always rely on shootings around the corner or a full-on exspecial forces bank robbery to prove their points. How cliche.

You nailed it. What's "normal" is all about perception and what's perceived as "normal". The more people who carry, the more the perception of what's normal will include carry. That's where we come into play.

 

[downzero]

I love how cops are just trained to say "training and experience" as if it makes them an expert. A good line of questioning as to where he got the stupid idea to say something like that would be great.